Part 7 of Strategies for the free fediverses.  As the first post in the series discusses, the "free fediverses" are regions of the fediverse that reject Meta and surveillance capitalism, and these strategies position the free fediverses as an alternative to Threads and "Meta's fediverses". Join the discussion in the

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/7477620

Transitive defederation – defederating from instances that federate with Threads as well as defederating from Threads – isn’t likely to be an all-or-nothing thing in the free fediverses. Tradeoffs are different for different people and instances. This is one of the strengths of the fediverse, so however much transitive defederation there winds up being, I see it as overall as a positive thing – although also messy and complicated.

The recommendation here is for instances to consider #TransitiveDefederation: discuss, and decide what to do. I’ve also got some thoughts on how to have the discussion – and the strategic aspects.

(Part 7 of Strategies for the free fediverses )

  • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Yeah, strong arming instances to do something or another based on a personal preference I thought was meta’s job, not the fediverses.

    The entire point is that each instance should decide for themselves. If they want to defederate with me because I haven’t made up my mind yet, then so long I guess, to me that says more about them then it does Meta.

    • The Nexus of Privacy@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Indeed, the entire point is that instances should decide for themselves – I say it multiple times in the article and I say it in the excerpt. If they think that you federating with Meta puts them at risk, then they should defederate. And yes, it says more about the instances making the decisions than it does about Meta – Meta’s hosting hate groups and white supremacists whether or not people defederate or transitively defederate.

      • fishos@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        10 months ago

        Aren’t you from that instance that threw a tantrum recently and threatened to defed the programming instance because of a personal beef between the admins that was quickly resolved and only resulted in creating a bunch of needless drama?

        The above OP is right, it really says more about the servers advocating these things than Meta. Stop wallowing in the mud and just be better than them. Lead by example, not whatever this petty squabble is.

        • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
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          10 months ago

          Thanks for getting what I was saying.

          I’m giving meta a 3 strike rule for my instance. Yes, I will probably eventually defederate with them - but I’m not going to immediately do it now. Yes, they’re a horrible company, horrible ethics, and I hate them. However, I’m not going to be one who just blocks them prematurely, they can prove themselves why they’re terrible to me. I’ll probably get overwhelmed with moderating and just cut it then.

          • fishos@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            10 months ago

            Thank you for fighting the good fight. That’s the proper way to do it.

  • Kayn@dormi.zoneEnglish
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    10 months ago

    I can understand defederating from Threads, but transitive defederation is bordering on insanity.

    This will do nothing but exert peer pressure onto instances that wish to remain impartial. Transitive defederation will play right into Meta’s hands by fragmenting the Fediverse further.

    • intensely_human@lemm.eeEnglish
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      10 months ago

      “You’re either with us or you’re against us”

      — level-headed, fair-acting groups of people throughout history