• alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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          8 months ago

          If you unlearn the lies of American tells of its history, you’re more likely to unlearn the lies America tells of its enemies.

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            8 months ago

            Are you saying that Stalin wasn’t a murder hobo? I thought that was well documented on both sides of the situation.

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              8 months ago

              nope.

              and the people who believe it usually ignore all the death the us empire sponsors globally.

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              Generally everything that makes him seem cartoonishly evil, such as quotes like “no man no problem”, “you have to break a few eggs to make an omlette”, that one endorsing election fraud, etc, the molotov ribbontrop pact, Order No. 227, or having absolute power are either outright fabricated or taken wildly out of context.

              There’s too much to go in depth on each one, but I’m happy to provide more context if you can think of any common knowledge that seems either insane or cartoonishly evil.

              If you want actual criticisms of the guy, we can talk about telling the CPC to work with the KMT, his willingness to compromise with reactionary elements such as the church, his lack of support for Korea after the US telegraphed their plans via the division of Korea, or all the shade Mao threw at him (that link is not even an exhaustive list).

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                8 months ago

                Let’s stop on Molotov Ribbentrop, I’d like to hear how I’ve been lied to there.

                Can you explain what you mean?

                I grew up in the USA and never once was taught Stalin had absolute power. I’m not sure what the link was supposed to change there.

                What does Mao have to do with this, how do quotes selected from his writings have anything to do with the thing I asked?

                I’m not sure if you’re trying to explain anything to me or just use lots of words to talk generally about an idea you feel.

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                  OK so Molotov Ribbentrop is taught as evil Stalin teaming up with Hitler when reality is closer to the reverse.

                  It ignores the context of the USSR attempting to make defensive pacts with every other country, including Poland, and offering to supply 1 million troops if France+UK would invade Nazi Germany.

                  Molotov Ribbentrop was signed after the western allies telegraphed that they intended to support Germany, Poland, and Japan invading the USSR.

                  That war nearly happened anyway when the UK attempted to send troops to support Finland during the winter war, and was only blocked by Sweden’s refusal to allow transit.

                  What does Mao have to do with this, how do quotes selected from his writings have anything to do with the thing I asked?

                  Mao is making mostly valid criticisms of Stalin. You’ll note they’re more nuanced and don’t depict Stalin as a supervillain.