• Dolores [love/loves]@hexbear.net
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    3 months ago

    actually shocked they still hadn’t normalized relations since 2008, my god Russia is on half their border. apparently these bad relations have adversely effected their trade relations as well.

    this will surely be a beneficial step forward

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    I like how this article has completely omitted the role of Bidzina Ivanishvili in modern Georgian politics, but took their time to mention George Soros…

    I guess the left are supposed to be fans of Bidzina Ivanishvili now? Let’s all forget that he was one of the main architects Yeltsin used within the Semibankirschina to dismantle the Soviet Union.

    Apparently it’s great news that the left is now aligned with a billionaire who made his money parting out a communist government.

    Makes sooo much sense…

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      What part of this article or the post shows support for Georgian Dream specifically? Do you think we support Putin’s party or Iran’s current government in the same way? Not trying to come off as smug

      I mean, we do support them, but critically, not blindly like the word “fans” or “aligned” may suggest. I don’t get what’s the difference in this situation wrt Georgia. If you think this isn’t worth critical support you should just say that instead and explain materially why.

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      this article has completely omitted the role of Bidzina Ivanishvili

      I guess the left are supposed to be fans of Bidzina Ivanishvili now

      This is faulty logic. Omission of something is not endorsement.

      Apparently it’s great news that the left is now aligned with a billionaire

      First of all the author of this article does not represent “the left”. His views are his own.

      Secondly, nothing in the article suggests alignment with this person you mentioned, because as has already been established, said person is not even mentioned in the piece.

      You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. You are reading things into this article that it simply does not say.

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    Bruh Georgian Dream party is conservative, Georgia is a puppet for decades like Ukraine and would be in North Atlantic Terrorist Organization if not for intervention in 2008 which also saved 2 of it’s ethnic minorities which were oppressed same like Donbas was. Russia should just take Abkhazia and South Ossetia already and be done with it.

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      This article does not endorse Georgia’s current ruling party, and neither do we. It is simply pointing out that relations between Georgia and Russia are stabilizing, and that this is a good thing for both countries while at the same time being a blow to the plans of the US empire to drive a wedge between them and turn Georgia into another Ukraine.

      Georgia has been a US puppet for decades but it appears that enough people in Georgia have understood that that was not to their advantage and are now seeking to regain their autonomy and adopt a more neutral alignment.

      As for the breakaway regions, so long as there is no pressing need for Russia to annex Abkhazia or South Ossetia the status quo is best left as is.

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      Not if you are a socialist or communist…you should really look up who founded, funds, and runs the Georgian Dream party.

      Really makes you wonder why the author of this particular piece of “journalism” decided to omit the role of the most powerful man in Georgian politics in the last 30 years.

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        Not if you are a socialist or communist…you should really look up who founded, funds, and runs the Georgian Dream party.

        Why wouldnt a socialist or communist at least tactifully support a man who was alive during the USSRs soviet era, who wants to normalize relationships with a country alligned with communist ones? (Russia > China)

        The EU is clearly not friendly to communists, half the countries there ban communists from running!

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          Why wouldnt a socialist or communist at least tactifully support a man who was alive during the USSRs soviet era

          He is one of the “seven bankers” employed by Yeltsin to destroy and sell the communist government… He literally has made billions destroying communism.

          The EU is clearly not friendly to communists, half the countries there ban communists from running!

          And who do you think was the person most responsible for Georgia joining the EU?

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            He is one of the “seven bankers” employed by Yeltsin to destroy and sell the communist government… He literally has made billions destroying communism.

            This is greviances from the 90s, im taking the actions as they are now. We can agree Putin, this billionare are likely opportunistic captialist butchers while still seeing this as a move that benefits communists.

            And who do you think was the person most responsible for Georgia joining the EU?

            Im taking the actions as they are now, even if for cynical reasons breaking up the EU further and moving towards a direction that communism is permitted, and of which the most powerfull member of that bloc is a communist country is progressive.

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              This is greviances from the 90s, im taking the actions as they are now. We can agree Putin, this billionare are likely opportunistic captialist butchers while still seeing this as a move that benefits communists.

              How? The communist/socialist parties in Georgia are part of the opposition groups opposed to the Georgian dream party.

              I don’t buy into the false dichotomy that anything that seemingly opposes western imperialism is automatically a win for communist. Nothing is as black and white as theory supposes it to be, and we have to be vigilant about empowering the kleptocracy that are so common among political bodies run by the rich.

              breaking up the EU further and moving towards a direction that communism is permitted

              Right, but what makes you think they are actually going to leave the EU? He’s just emulating countries like Hungary, turkey, and India, who are utilizing geopolitical schisms to consolidate authoritarian regimes while staying plugged into the western capital apparatus.

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                Right, but what makes you think they are actually going to leave the EU? He’s just emulating countries like Hungary, turkey, and India, who are utilizing geopolitical schisms to consolidate authoritarian regimes while staying plugged into the western capital apparatus.

                Im not sure, if they do would you eat your hat and support it?

                Do the communists in Hungary support removal from the EU also?

                I don’t buy into the false dichotomy that anything that seemingly opposes western imperialism is automatically a win for communist.

                Breaking up a bloc that was setup to counter communist infulence, is in fact good.

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        I’m not familiar at all with Georgian politics, but if what you say is true, I do kind of agree that the author should have included some discussion on the matter. That being said, I don’t see how this makes it not “great news”. Regardless of who holds power in Georgia, do you think that having better relations with Russia, its neighbor with which they share a border, will be a bad thing for Georgians?

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          The author is criticizing the rose revolution, Ivanishvili funded the rose revolution. Ivanishvili represents like half of Georgia’s GDP. This isn’t about Georgians befriending their neighbors, it’s about ivanishvili establishing a regime.

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            As others have said, the article is about Georgia’s decision to strengthen its relationship with Russia at the expense of its relationship with the west. The rose revolution is important to understand Georgia’s current position on this.

            Has IvanishviIi not already established a regime? In what way does improving relations with Russia allow him to further consolidate his power? While I certainly don’t support oligarchy, Georgia’s struggle against western imperialism is surely worth critical support.

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              Has IvanishviIi not already established a regime? In what way does improving relations with Russia allow him to further consolidate his power?

              I mean part of critical support is actually evaluating what you are supporting. If you had, you would know that ivanishvili has a long history of playing both sides to further his own wealth and power. However, he ultimately is a reactionary puppeteer who always lands on the side that lets him keep his grip on Georgian politics.

              This is just a play to further establish his regime with authoritarian means. He is hoping that if he can make the west fear that he will switch sides, they will let him get away with anything.