I thought this would be good to share, its an excerpt from an unpublished
interview written in december 2020 about Lemmy’s origins and goals. — > What is
the story behind the creation of Lemmy? What role do you want it to serve for
people online / why did you make it? The idea to make Lemmy was a combination of
factors. Open source developers like myself have long watched the rise of the
“Big Five”, the US tech giants that have managed to capture nearly all the
world’s everyday communication into their hands. We’ve been asking ourselves why
people have moved away from content-focused sites, and what we can do to subvert
this trend, in a way that is easily accessible to a non-tech focused audience.
The barriers to entry on the web, are much lower than say in the physical world:
all it takes is a computer and some coding knowhow… yet the predominating social
media firms have been able to stave off competition for at least two reasons:
their sites are easy to use, and they have huge numbers of users already (the
“first mover” advantage). The latter is more important; if you’ve ever tried to
get someone to use a different chat app, you’ll know what I mean. Now I loved
early reddit, not just for the way that it managed to put all the news for the
communities and topics I wanted to see in a single place, but for the discussion
trees behind every link posted. I still have many of these saved, and have
gained so much more from the discussion behind the links, than I have from the
links themselves. In my view, its the community-focused, tree-like discussions,
as well as the ability to make, grow, and curate communities, that has made
reddit the 5th most popular site in the US, and where so many people around the
world get their news. But that ship sailed years ago; the early innovative
spirit of reddit left with Aaron Schwartz: its libertarian founders have allowed
some of the most racist and sexist online communities to fester on reddit for
years, only occasionally removing them only when community outcry reaches a
fever pitch. Reddit closed its source code years ago, and the reddit redesign
has become a bloated anti-privacy mess. Its become absorbed into that silicon
valley surveillance-capitalist machine that commidifies users to sell ads and
paid flairs, and propagandizes pro-US interests above all. Software technology
being one of the last monopoly exports the US has, it would be naive to think
that one of the top 5 most popular social media sites, where so many people
around the world get their news, would be anything other than a mouthpiece for
the interests of those same US coastal tech firms. Despite the conservative
talking point that big tech is dominated by “leftist propaganda”, it is liberal,
and pro-US, not left (leftism referring to the broad category of
anti-capitalism). Reddit has banned its share of leftist users and communities,
and the reddit admins via announcement posts repeatedly villify the US’s primary
foreign-policy enemies as having “bot campaigns”, and “manipulating reddit”, yet
the default reddit communities (/r/news, /r/pics, etc), who share a small number
of moderators, push a line consistent with US foreign-policy interests. The
aptly named /r/copaganda subreddit has exposed the pro-police propaganda that
always seems to hit reddit’s front page in the wake of every tragedy involving
US police killing the innocent (or showing police kissing puppies, even though
US police kill ~ 30 dogs every day, which researchers have called a “noted
statistical phenomenon”). We’ve also seen a rise in anti-China posts that have
hit reddit lately, and along with that comes anti-chinese racism, which reddit
tacitly encourages. That western countries are seeing a rise in attacks against
Asian-Americans, just as some of the perpetrators of several hate-crimes against
women were found to be redditors active in mens-rights reddit communities, is
not lost on us, and we know where these tech companies really stand when it
comes to violence and hate speech. Leftists know that our position on these
platforms is tenable at best; we’re currently tolerated, but that will not
always be the case. The idea for making a reddit alternative seemed pointless,
until Mastodon (a federated twitter alternative), started becoming popular.
Using activitypub (a protocol / common language that social media services can
use to speak to each other), we finally have a solution to the “first mover”
advantage: now someone can build or run a small site, but still be connected to
a wider universe of users. @nutomic@lemmy.ml [https://lemmy.ml/u/nutomic] and I
originally made Lemmy to fill the role as a federated alternative to reddit, but
as it grows, it has the potential become a main source of news and discussion,
existing outside of the US’s jurisdictional domain and control. > Where does the
name come from? It was nameless for a long time, but I wanted to keep with the
fediverse tradition of naming projects after animals. I was playing that
old-school game Lemmings, and Lemmy (from motorhead) had passed away that week,
and we held a few polls for names, and I went with that. > Do you have any
interaction with the groups that use the open-source code? We do, most of them
are in a shared Lemmy developer chatroom, as well as interacting via github. >
Are you familiar with the group running Chapo Chat at all, specifically? Yes, we
communicate with some of their developers regularly, both in tech-oriented, and
admin-oriented chats. A few of their developers have made great contributions to
Lemmy’s code, and we’ve been happy to work with them. > Were you aware that the
group that used to run the anti-trans forum r/GenderCritical on Reddit thought
about using Lemmy for their site? Did they contact you at all? They have not
contacted us, and of course our code of conduct which explicitly contains a
section against anti-trans bigotry means we wouldn’t help them in any way. Many
reddit alternatives have been happy to embrace “reddits rejects”, no matter how
bigoted those communities are, in the name of “free speech”. We don’t agree with
this view, or with those who have nostalgia for a non-existent reddit past where
it was more “free” and bigoted than it is now. > Do you have a sense of how many
sites are running the code? Currently, less than 10, but this is also because
the killer feature of Lemmy, federation, is still only in beta, and that was
only released a few weeks ago. Its a slow burn, but we’re confident that it will
grow organically as we turn federation on for the officially run instances, and
more connect to them. There’s also a 3rd-party iOS and Android app called
lemmur, in development that we’re excited for, and will make using lemmy
extremely easy to use on smartphones.
Here are some things I really like about Lemmy’s design:
leaves control in the hands of server owners - i.e. it’s not just a node in a Tor network that just exists for load balancing, it actually allows owners a lot of control over what content is available (e.g. can block other instances)
encourages competition - the barrier to making a new instance is low, so if one instance misbehaves, it’s easy to make your own
transparency - open mod log, open source code, etc; this helps individuals truly understand what they’re signing up for when they join an instance
And some things I dislike:
no obvious monetization strategy - seems like the going strategy is donations, but I’d like to see more experimentation with paying for use (e.g. maybe small crypto transactions); I worry that this will hurt long-term viability of community-funded instances
original authors seem a bit… sympathetic to authoritarianism
So what do you think? What do you think Lemmy does well, and what could it improve on?