Now that we have final numbers. It appears that Harris had all the white & black support she needed for an EC victory. But Trump outright flipping Latino men and making huge gains with Latino women seems to have made all the difference.

What do you think?

First image is 2024, second is 2020.

  • KidNamedLainah@lemmy.world
    68·
    4 days ago

    Every other Lemmy comment section told me that it was Anti-Genocide college students who cost Kamala the election /s

    • WamGams@lemmy.ca
      82·
      4 days ago

      It’s never any 1 constituency to blame.

      But maybe a campaign telling independents and centrists that liberals are doing genocide while not also running on saying, “Republicans will genocide more, however,” was a really bad idea.

      I’m not sure you guys bear the moral responsibility for Kamala losing, but I do think there is an argument to make for bearing moral responsibility to helping ensure more death happened.

      • KidNamedLainah@lemmy.world
        4·
        4 days ago

        Fair enough. I’ll admit that my comment was just a snide remark to those in a community that will jump at the first opportunity to deflect blame onto anyone but refuse to entertain a second of introspection.

      • spujb@lemmy.cafeEnglish
        2·
        4 days ago

        while not also running on saying, “Republicans will genocide more, however,”

        They did.

        These constituents are voters who helped deliver Biden the presidency in 2020, and who now feel deeply hurt and betrayed by the President’s decisions to continue funding war crimes and the mass killing of Palestinians. Arab American, Muslim American, and young voters, as well as people of conscience in Michigan and nationwide, are critical to the strength of the base. We cannot afford to have this base permanently disillusioned or alienated in November. The Uncommitted Movement Emphasis mine.

        Pro-Palestine kids on campuses were incredibly fearful of a Trump reelection and ran their campaigns to influence the Democratic at least partially out of that fear.

        Pro-Palestine knew the Dems were far more likely to win if they promised to fund domestic concerns rather than what has been widely accepted to be a genocide. Feel free to criticize the ratio of anti-Dem:anti-Trump messaging all you like, but it’s afactual to say anti-Trump didn’t happen.

      • oyo@lemm.ee
        41·
        4 days ago

        As this chart makes pretty clear, white men are to blame.

    • spujb@lemmy.cafeEnglish
      31·
      4 days ago

      you’re getting downvoted as though you are lying. i saw people equivocating the uncommitted movement with pro-Trump on here since February. and now people are turning around and saying “no we didn’t do that that didn’t happen.”

      like maybe it wasn’t you but it happened. be fking for real.

      • KidNamedLainah@lemmy.world
        2·
        3 days ago

        Yeah, as much as people on this site love to love to shit on conservatives for being MAGA-brained, most of the Democratic rank-and-file acolytes mirror the same behavior. History will absolve my, and many others’ comments but it’ll be too late to fix problems that could have been avoided. Ultimately, people in general want to be in their echo chambers and have their opinions supported

    • Maeve@kbin.earth
      41·
      4 days ago

      More than one thing can be true; one things can be a subset of another.