EDIT

This issue may be due to WebRTC being disabled. WebRTC is required for google meet, but also used for fingerprinting.

Recently I tried to join a google meet meeting in my hardened config firefox browser, and google meet didn’t let me in at all. I was confused as hell. I could join only on my phone, but not any of my three computers I tested it on. I then went into a virtual machine with regular firefox(also linux), and the meeting works. The only conclusion I can draw is that google is so desperate for my data that they refuse to service me unless I give them this.

This post intends to inform people that issues with google products may be related to their valid wish for security, and the actions they have taken in pursuit of that. The post also intends to inform people of a solution. The two apps that I recommend are:

  • Jitsi Meet: This is self hosted, but you can also make a meeting with jitsi’s own servers. A excellent alternative to google meet, the only reason I didn’t use it is that I had issues the day I needed to meet, and had to fall back to google meet instead.
  • Jami: This is a distributed-network chat and video calling app which is open source and a GNU package. It does require an app, but is free and open source and will serve your purpose.****_________
  • potentiallynotfelixOP
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    2 months ago
    accessibility.typeaheadfind.flashBar	0	
    app.normandy.api_url		
    app.normandy.enabled	false	
    app.normandy.first_run	false	
    app.normandy.migrationsApplied	12	
    app.normandy.user_id	[REDACTED]	
    app.shield.optoutstudies.enabled	false	
    app.update.auto	false	
    app.update.lastUpdateTime.addon-background-update-timer	1729383854	
    app.update.lastUpdateTime.browser-cleanup-thumbnails	1729405780	
    app.update.lastUpdateTime.recipe-client-addon-run	1725149805	
    app.update.lastUpdateTime.region-update-timer	1725149805	
    app.update.lastUpdateTime.services-settings-poll-changes	1729383854	
    app.update.lastUpdateTime.telemetry_modules_ping	1725149834	
    app.update.lastUpdateTime.xpi-signature-verification	1729383854	
    beacon.enabled	false	
    breakpad.reportURL		
    browser.aboutConfig.showWarning	false	
    browser.bookmarks.editDialog.confirmationHintShowCount	2	
    browser.bookmarks.restore_default_bookmarks	false	
    browser.cache.disk.enable	false	
    browser.contentblocking.category	strict	
    browser.contentblocking.report.hide_vpn_banner	true	
    browser.contentblocking.report.show_mobile_app	false	
    browser.contextual-services.contextId	{[REDACTED]}	
    browser.discovery.enabled	false	
    browser.discovery.sites		
    browser.download.manager.addToRecentDocs	false	
    browser.download.panel.shown	true	
    browser.download.viewableInternally.typeWasRegistered.avif	true	
    browser.download.viewableInternally.typeWasRegistered.webp	true	
    browser.engagement.ctrlTab.has-used	true	
    browser.engagement.downloads-button.has-used	true	
    browser.firefox-view.feature-tour	{"screen":"","complete":true}	
    browser.firefox-view.view-count	1	
    browser.formfill.enable	false	
    browser.helperApps.deleteTempFileOnExit	false	
    browser.laterrun.bookkeeping.profileCreationTime	1725149774	
    browser.laterrun.bookkeeping.sessionCount	51	
    browser.migration.version	148	
    browser.newtab.preload	false	
    browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.asrouter.userprefs.cfr.addons	false	
    browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.default.sites		
    browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.discoverystream.rec.impressions	{"5721678629791706":1725149797489,"1570241288460906":1725149797490,"1651507772597691":1725149797491}	
    browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.feeds.discoverystreamfeed	false	
    browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.feeds.section.topstories	false	
    browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.feeds.telemetry	false	
    browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.impressionId	{[REDACTED]}	
    browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.section.highlights.includePocket	false	
    browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.showSponsored	false	
    browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.showSponsoredTopSites	false	
    browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.telemetry	false	
    browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.telemetry.structuredIngestion.endpoint		
    browser.newtabpage.blocked	[REDACTED]	
    browser.newtabpage.enabled	false	
    browser.newtabpage.storageVersion	1	
    browser.pageActions.persistedActions	{"ids":["bookmark"],"idsInUrlbar":["bookmark"],"idsInUrlbarPreProton":[],"version":1}	
    browser.pagethumbnails.capturing_disabled	true	
    browser.pagethumbnails.storage_version	3	
    browser.ping-centre.telemetry	false	
    browser.places.speculativeConnect.enabled	false	
    browser.protections_panel.infoMessage.seen	true	
    browser.proton.toolbar.version	3	
    browser.region.network.url		
    browser.region.update.enabled	false	
    browser.region.update.updated	1725149776	
    browser.rights.3.shown	true	
    browser.safebrowsing.allowOverride	false	
    browser.safebrowsing.blockedURIs.enabled	false	
    browser.safebrowsing.downloads.enabled	false	
    browser.safebrowsing.downloads.remote.block_potentially_unwanted	false	
    browser.safebrowsing.downloads.remote.block_uncommon	false	
    browser.safebrowsing.downloads.remote.enabled	false	
    browser.safebrowsing.downloads.remote.url		
    browser.safebrowsing.malware.enabled	false	
    browser.safebrowsing.phishing.enabled	false	
    browser.safebrowsing.provider.google.advisoryName	Google Safe Browsing(Disabled)	
    browser.safebrowsing.provider.google.advisoryURL		
    browser.safebrowsing.provider.google.gethashURL		
    browser.safebrowsing.provider.google.reportMalwareMistakeURL		
    browser.safebrowsing.provider.google.reportPhishMistakeURL		
    browser.safebrowsing.provider.google.reportURL		
    browser.safebrowsing.provider.google.updateURL		
    browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.advisoryName	Google Safe Browsing4(Disabled	
    browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.advisoryURL		
    browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.dataSharingURL		
    browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.gethashURL		
    browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.lastupdatetime	1725149785253	
    browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.nextupdatetime	1725151601253	
    browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.reportMalwareMistakeURL		
    browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.reportPhishMistakeURL		
    browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.reportURL		
    browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.updateURL		
    browser.safebrowsing.provider.mozilla.lastupdatetime	1729405756174	
    browser.safebrowsing.provider.mozilla.nextupdatetime	1729427356174	
    browser.search.region	US	
    browser.search.suggest.enabled	false	
    browser.sessionstore.privacy_level	2	
    browser.sessionstore.resume_from_crash	false	
    browser.sessionstore.upgradeBackup.latestBuildID	20241008174909	
    browser.shell.shortcutFavicons	false	
    browser.startup.couldRestoreSession.count	2	
    browser.startup.homepage_override.buildID	20241008174909	
    browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone	128.3.1	
    browser.startup.lastColdStartupCheck	1729405749	
    browser.startup.upgradeDialog.version	106	
    browser.tabs.crashReporting.sendReport	false	
    browser.tabs.firefox-view.ui-state.recently-closed-tabs.open	true	
    browser.tabs.firefox-view.ui-state.tab-pickup.open	false	
    browser.translations.panelShown	true	
    browser.uiCustomization.state	{"placements":{"widget-overflow-fixed-list":[],"unified-extensions-area":[],"nav-bar":["back-button","forward-button","stop-reload-button","customizableui-special-spring1","urlbar-container","customizableui-special-spring2","save-to-pocket-button","downloads-button","fxa-toolbar-menu-button","unified-extensions-button","ublock0_raymondhill_net-browser-action","reset-pbm-toolbar-button"],"toolbar-menubar":["menubar-items"],"TabsToolbar":["firefox-view-button","tabbrowser-tabs","new-tab-button","alltabs-button"],"PersonalToolbar":["personal-bookmarks"]},"seen":["save-to-pocket-button","developer-button","ublock0_raymondhill_net-browser-action"],"dirtyAreaCache":["nav-bar","PersonalToolbar","toolbar-menubar","TabsToolbar"],"currentVersion":20,"newElementCount":2}	
    browser.urlbar.placeholderName	DuckDuckGo	
    browser.urlbar.placeholderName.private	DuckDuckGo	
    browser.urlbar.quicksuggest.enabled	false	
    browser.urlbar.quicksuggest.migrationVersion	2	
    browser.urlbar.quicksuggest.scenario	offline	
    browser.urlbar.speculativeConnect.enabled	false	
    browser.urlbar.suggest.quicksuggest.nonsponsored	false	
    browser.urlbar.suggest.quicksuggest.sponsored	false	
    browser.urlbar.tipShownCount.searchTip_onboard	4	
    browser.urlbar.trimURLs	false	
    browser.xul.error_pages.expert_bad_cert	true	
    captivedetect.canonicalURL		
    datareporting.healthreport.infoURL		
    datareporting.policy.dataSubmissionEnabled	false	
    datareporting.policy.dataSubmissionPolicyAcceptedVersion	2	
    datareporting.policy.dataSubmissionPolicyNotifiedTime	1725149776032	
    devtools.everOpened	true	
    devtools.toolbox.footer.height	310	
    devtools.toolbox.host	right	
    devtools.toolbox.previousHost	bottom	
    devtools.toolsidebar-height.inspector	170	
    devtools.toolsidebar-width.inspector	700	
    devtools.toolsidebar-width.inspector.splitsidebar	250	
    distribution.iniFile.exists.appversion	128.3.1	
    distribution.iniFile.exists.value	false	
    doh-rollout.disable-heuristics	true	
    doh-rollout.doneFirstRun	true	
    doh-rollout.home-region	US	
    doh-rollout.uri	https://mozilla.cloudflare-dns.com/dns-query	
    dom.forms.autocomplete.formautofill	true	
    dom.popup_allowed_events	click dblclick mousedown pointerdown	
    dom.push.userAgentID	[REDACTED]	
    dom.security.https_only_mode	true	
    dom.security.https_only_mode_ever_enabled	true	
    dom.security.https_only_mode_send_http_background_request	false	
    extensions.activeThemeID	default-theme@mozilla.org	
    extensions.blocklist.pingCountVersion	-1	
    extensions.databaseSchema	36	
    extensions.enabledscopes	5
    extensions.formautofill.addresses.enabled	false	
    extensions.formautofill.available	off	
    extensions.formautofill.creditCards.available	false	
    extensions.formautofill.creditCards.enabled	false	
    extensions.formautofill.creditCards.reauth.optout	[REDACTED]	
    extensions.getAddons.cache.lastUpdate	1729383854	
    extensions.getAddons.databaseSchema	6	
    extensions.getaddons.showpane	true	
    extensions.htmlaboutaddons.recommendations.enabled	false	
    extensions.lastAppBuildId	20241008174909	
    extensions.lastAppVersion	128.3.1	
    extensions.lastPlatformVersion	128.3.1	
    extensions.pendingOperations	false	
    extensions.pictureinpicture.enable_picture_in_picture_overrides	true	
    extensions.pocket.enabled	false	
    extensions.postDownloadThirdPartyPrompt	false	
    extensions.quarantinedDomains.list	autoatendimento.bb.com.br,ibpf.sicredi.com.br,ibpj.sicredi.com.br,internetbanking.caixa.gov.br,www.ib12.bradesco.com.br,www2.bancobrasil.com.br	
    extensions.screenshots.disabled	true	
    extensions.systemAddonSet	{"schema":1,"directory":"{[REDACTED]}","addons":{"webcompat@mozilla.org":{"version":"133.2.20241017.92612"}}}	
    extensions.ui.dictionary.hidden	true	
    extensions.ui.lastCategory	addons://discover/	
    extensions.ui.locale.hidden	true	
    extensions.ui.sitepermission.hidden	true	
    extensions.webcompat.enable_shims	true	
    extensions.webcompat.perform_injections	true	
    extensions.webcompat.perform_ua_overrides	true	
    extensions.webextensions.ExtensionStorageIDB.migrated.screenshots@mozilla.org	true	
    extensions.webextensions.ExtensionStorageIDB.migrated.uBlock0@raymondhill.net	true
    

    Part 1

    • MimicJar@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      14
      ·
      2 months ago

      So first off I appreciate your “about:config” dump, that is helpful.

      However, having ONLY that dump makes it difficult to actually diagnose your issue. It would be helpful to have an idea of what fails.

      • Are you only unable to join meetings?
      • Can you create meetings?
      • Only audio?
      • Only video?
      • Are there any error messages?
      • Are there any messages at all on screen?
      • Are there errors in the JavaScript console?
      • If there are a lot, can you compare it against the working vanilla version and see where the errors are unique/start to differ?
      • When did this issue start to happen? (It worked a week ago, but not now?)
      • Is your config based off a guide online?

      Second, you have “media.peerconnection.enabled” set to “false”. That setting controls WebRTC. Google Meet uses WebRTC. If I set that value to false my Google Meet meetings fail to load, it just stays stuck at the joining meeting phase.

      So maybe that’s your culprit. Of course I would expect if you’ve had this set for a long time I would have expected it to fail for a long time. Also both alternatives you mentioned use WebRTC, so I would expect those to fail with that setting disabled.

      Of course if it used to work with that disabled then it’s possible Google Meet changed and had a fallback no longer in use or something else.

      As an aside, I understand that WebRTC has (had?) issues leaking local IP addresses while connected to a VPN. So I understand why you might have it disabled.

      • potentiallynotfelixOP
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        2 months ago

        The webrtc setting is probably it. IMO it’s still google’s fault for not providing a meaningful error message. It just stuck on the loading screen, assuring me that I would enter the meeting but I just didn’t. I don’t like webrtc because it can be used for fingerprinting, so I will probably use jami in the future. Thank you very much for diagnosing my problem!

    • potentiallynotfelixOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      2 months ago
      extensions.webextensions.restrictedDomains		
      extensions.webextensions.uuids	{"formautofill@mozilla.org":"1cf43bc6-c83e-4df3-a8d2-4038fe816116","pictureinpicture@mozilla.org":"d820dd36-7976-4480-938c-d16b1e655d48","screenshots@mozilla.org":"c5c295b2-c7ae-43ca-b011-cf2335845c51","webcompat-reporter@mozilla.org":"7dec689b-6735-4d50-8320-42358545e131","webcompat@mozilla.org":"6eed24ef-4fed-499f-913e-ef3557628934","default-theme@mozilla.org":"e2130512-1026-4ea0-a0ab-75347897ece0","addons-search-detection@mozilla.com":"f79cc98d-3c13-42d4-8428-bb4d904aac3e","google@search.mozilla.org":"03fee1c7-accd-4276-9798-698f7a16f8c2","wikipedia@search.mozilla.org":"263c52b0-3dd3-40e1-a28f-96ca794755e9","bing@search.mozilla.org":"76b29622-02c9-4c0b-9291-0b86a3d45d4b","ddg@search.mozilla.org":"f24a2e9c-26ec-4114-b7c6-5223dca5fca9","amazondotcom@search.mozilla.org":"eeb096d0-d4a3-4e77-85c3-0643308710b1","ebay@search.mozilla.org":"b5e0c41a-3c79-41bf-8a09-b717abcd054e","uBlock0@raymondhill.net":"9e988b15-dbad-4de5-be05-f46bbc94f24f"}	
      gecko.handlerService.defaultHandlersVersion	1	
      geo.provider.use_geoclue	false	
      idle.lastDailyNotification	1729360598	
      javascript.use_us_english_locale	true	
      media.gmp-gmpopenh264.abi	x86_64-gcc3	
      media.gmp-gmpopenh264.hashValue	[REDACTED]	
      media.gmp-gmpopenh264.lastDownload	[REDACTED]
      media.gmp-gmpopenh264.lastDownloadFailReason	[REDACTED]
      media.gmp-gmpopenh264.lastDownloadFailed	[REDACTED]	
      media.gmp-gmpopenh264.lastInstallStart	[REDACTED]	
      media.gmp-gmpopenh264.lastUpdate	[REDACTED]	
      media.gmp-gmpopenh264.version	2.3.2	
      media.gmp-manager.buildID	20241008174909	
      media.gmp-manager.lastCheck	1729383901	
      media.gmp-manager.lastEmptyCheck	1729383901	
      media.gmp.storage.version.observed	1	
      media.peerconnection.enabled	false	
      media.peerconnection.ice.default_address_only	true	
      media.peerconnection.ice.no_host	true	
      media.peerconnection.ice.proxy_only_if_behind_proxy	true	
      media.videocontrols.picture-in-picture.video-toggle.first-seen-secs	1725165077	
      media.videocontrols.picture-in-picture.video-toggle.has-used	true	
      network.IDN_show_punycode	true	
      network.auth.subresource-http-auth-allow	1	
      network.captive-portal-service.enabled	false	
      network.connectivity-service.enabled	false	
      network.dns.disableIPv6	true	
      network.dns.disablePrefetch	true	
      network.file.disable_unc_paths	true	
      network.gio.supported-protocols		
      network.http.referer.XOriginPolicy	2	
      network.http.referer.disallowCrossSiteRelaxingDefault.top_navigation	true	
      network.http.speculative-parallel-limit	0	
      network.predictor.enabled	false	
      network.prefetch-next	false	
      network.trr.custom_uri	https://dns.mullvad.net/dns-query	
      network.trr.mode	2	
      network.trr.uri	https://dns.mullvad.net/dns-query	
      pdfjs.enableScripting	false	
      pdfjs.enabledCache.state	true	
      pdfjs.migrationVersion	2	
      permissions.manager.defaultsUrl		
      places.database.lastMaintenance	1728844120	
      privacy.annotate_channels.strict_list.enabled	true	
      privacy.bounceTrackingProtection.hasMigratedUserActivationData	true	
      privacy.fingerprintingProtection	true	
      privacy.history.custom	true	
      privacy.partition.always_partition_third_party_non_cookie_storage.exempt_sessionstorage	true	
      privacy.purge_trackers.date_in_cookie_database	0	
      privacy.purge_trackers.last_purge	1729360598375	
      privacy.query_stripping.enabled	true	
      privacy.query_stripping.enabled.pbmode	true	
      privacy.resistFingerprinting	true	
      privacy.resistFingerprinting.block_mozAddonManager	true	
      privacy.sanitize.clearOnShutdown.hasMigratedToNewPrefs2	true	
      privacy.sanitize.pending	[{"id":"newtab-container","itemsToClear":[],"options":{}}]	
      privacy.trackingprotection.emailtracking.enabled	true	
      privacy.trackingprotection.enabled	true	
      privacy.trackingprotection.socialtracking.enabled	true	
      privacy.userContext.enabled	true	
      privacy.window.maxInnerHeight	900	
      privacy.window.maxInnerWidth	1600	
      security.OCSP.require	true	
      security.cert_pinning.enforcement_level	2	
      security.pki.crlite_mode	2	
      security.remote_settings.crlite_filters.enabled	true	
      security.sandbox.content.tempDirSuffix	[REDACTED]	
      security.tls.enable_0rtt_data	false	
      services.settings.blocklists.addons-bloomfilters.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.blocklists.gfx.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.clock_skew_seconds	-1	
      services.settings.last_etag	"1729393030056"	
      services.settings.last_update_seconds	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.addons-manager-settings.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.anti-tracking-url-decoration.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.cfr.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.cookie-banner-rules-list.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.devtools-compatibility-browsers.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.devtools-devices.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.doh-config.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.doh-providers.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.fingerprinting-protection-overrides.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.fxmonitor-breaches.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.hijack-blocklists.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.language-dictionaries.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.message-groups.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.normandy-recipes-capabilities.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.partitioning-exempt-urls.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.password-recipes.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.password-rules.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.pioneer-study-addons-v1.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.public-suffix-list.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.query-stripping.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.quicksuggest.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.search-config-icons.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.search-config-overrides-v2.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.search-config-overrides.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.search-config-v2.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.search-config.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.search-default-override-allowlist.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.search-telemetry-v2.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.sites-classification.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.tippytop.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.top-sites.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.translations-models.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.translations-wasm.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.url-classifier-skip-urls.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.websites-with-shared-credential-backends.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.main.whats-new-panel.last_check	1729405757	
      services.settings.security-state.cert-revocations.last_check	1729126810	
      services.settings.security-state.intermediates.last_check	1729126810	
      services.settings.security-state.onecrl.last_check	1729126810	
      services.sync.clients.lastSync	0	
      services.sync.declinedEngines		
      services.sync.engine.addresses.available	true	
      services.sync.globalScore	0	
      services.sync.nextSync	0	
      services.sync.prefs.sync.app.shield.optoutstudies.enabled	false	
      services.sync.prefs.sync.browser.formfill.enable	false	
      services.sync.prefs.sync.signon.rememberSignons	false	
      signon.autofillForms	false	
      signon.formlessCapture.enabled	false	
      signon.management.page.os-auth.optout	[REDACTED]	
      signon.rememberSignons	false	
      storage.vacuum.last.content-prefs.sqlite	1728004322	
      storage.vacuum.last.index	2	
      storage.vacuum.last.places.sqlite	1727815054	
      toolkit.coverage.endpoint.base		
      toolkit.coverage.opt-out	true	
      toolkit.startup.last_success	1729405748	
      toolkit.telemetry.archive.enabled	false	
      toolkit.telemetry.bhrPing.enabled	false	
      toolkit.telemetry.cachedClientID	[REDACTED]	
      toolkit.telemetry.firstShutdownPing.enabled	false	
      toolkit.telemetry.newProfilePing.enabled	false	
      toolkit.telemetry.pioneer-new-studies-available	true	
      toolkit.telemetry.previousBuildID	20240801134912	
      toolkit.telemetry.reportingpolicy.firstRun	false	
      toolkit.telemetry.server	data:,	
      toolkit.telemetry.shutdownPingSender.enabled	false	
      toolkit.telemetry.unified	false	
      toolkit.telemetry.updatePing.enabled	false	
      trailhead.firstrun.didSeeAboutWelcome	true	
      webgl.disabled	true	
      

      Part 2

      • lazynooblet@lazysoci.al
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        20
        ·
        2 months ago

        Great. Your job is to take standard Firefox and switch one of these settings on at a time, testing Google meet until you find which one is the culprit. Good luck! 👍