A complete non-issue. This was not “hate”, it was spam. I received the offending email this morning, deleted it and moved on. The whole episode took up two seconds of my life and was forgotten within another two. Except for the waste of another 4 seconds dealing with Codeberg’s inevitable grovelling apology a few hours later.
Stop giving in to provocation! This kind of histrionic response is exactly what the spammers were looking for. It doesn’t matter what rude words were in this email. It was spam.
First off: hate and spam aren’t mutually exclusive, it can be both. Especially when, after reading the linked article, it’s pretty clear that this isn’t an isolated case of one email going out.
But more importantly: hate is never a non-issue; you may not have been bothered but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have an impact on other’s lives. Tolerating hate is so very dangerously close to acceptance here and we as a society simply can’t allow that to become normal.
Codeberg taking the time to tell us that this was wrong and they don’t tolerate their systems being used to spread hate is good.
We will agree to disagree. Despite your obviously good intentions I think you, and they, are making this problem worse. By validating it and propagating the (quite novel) idea that somehow we can be almost physically harmed by mere words and must therefore be on constant guard against them. I respect people’s right to think this way but personally I don’t want any part of it.
“Words aren’t dangerous” is one of the greatest misnomers of all time. Words have, repeatedly throughout human history, demonstrably been the catalyst for action.
Normalizing hate speech is a signal that hate itself can be normal. Hate speech has become violence so many times that I can not fathom not understanding that words have real power.
Regarding who may be making the problem worse, I’ll let a better spoken man field a response: “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”
Sure, I understand the arguments. I’ve had this debate plenty of times, virtually and in person. I’ve even lost a couple of friends over it. Some people see things my way, some people see things yours. Your way is in the ascendant, it’s undeniable. But you must know that there are other ways of interpreting the same facts, that people - yes, even good people - have different values to you. For me you are selling a creed of victimhood, of fragility, of hypersensitivity, in which people are incentivized to find offense, where everyone comes out a loser. Again: you seem to be a decent well-meaning person, you’re not throwing insults around like others here, and I hear the points you make. I’m sure you’re intelligent and I completely respect you. But I fundamentally disagree with your analysis. Good night.
Some people mind. 🤷♂️ You do realize more people other than yourself exist in the world, right?
I personally couldn’t care less. But I also recognize that CodeBerg has every right to police their own platform in whichever way they see fit. If they don’t want this kind of shit on their platform because their users disagree with it, then all the more power to them.
Honestly lil bro, you lack emotional intelligence.
This, again, is my point. A puerile ethnic slur (I didn’t read it closely but I think that’s what it was) by provocateur spammers is cause for a big song and dance of solemn apologies and ostentatious contrition. But your personal insult lobbed against me is apparently fine. This is the modern value system that I don’t understand and don’t want to be part of, personally.
It’s not a personal insult. I’m objectively pointing out that your emotional intelligence is low, considering you’re seemingly incapable of understanding that some people mind slurs, and services have every right to police their own platforms…
I get your point and generally agree but it’s not a non-issue.
I think the general gist is that if you don’t react to words, actions will follow.
And, historically, the pen has always been mightier than the sword.
A complete non-issue. This was not “hate”, it was spam. I received the offending email this morning, deleted it and moved on. The whole episode took up two seconds of my life and was forgotten within another two. Except for the waste of another 4 seconds dealing with Codeberg’s inevitable grovelling apology a few hours later.
Stop giving in to provocation! This kind of histrionic response is exactly what the spammers were looking for. It doesn’t matter what rude words were in this email. It was spam.
First off: hate and spam aren’t mutually exclusive, it can be both. Especially when, after reading the linked article, it’s pretty clear that this isn’t an isolated case of one email going out.
But more importantly: hate is never a non-issue; you may not have been bothered but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have an impact on other’s lives. Tolerating hate is so very dangerously close to acceptance here and we as a society simply can’t allow that to become normal.
Codeberg taking the time to tell us that this was wrong and they don’t tolerate their systems being used to spread hate is good.
We will agree to disagree. Despite your obviously good intentions I think you, and they, are making this problem worse. By validating it and propagating the (quite novel) idea that somehow we can be almost physically harmed by mere words and must therefore be on constant guard against them. I respect people’s right to think this way but personally I don’t want any part of it.
“Words aren’t dangerous” is one of the greatest misnomers of all time. Words have, repeatedly throughout human history, demonstrably been the catalyst for action.
Normalizing hate speech is a signal that hate itself can be normal. Hate speech has become violence so many times that I can not fathom not understanding that words have real power.
Regarding who may be making the problem worse, I’ll let a better spoken man field a response: “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”
Sure, I understand the arguments. I’ve had this debate plenty of times, virtually and in person. I’ve even lost a couple of friends over it. Some people see things my way, some people see things yours. Your way is in the ascendant, it’s undeniable. But you must know that there are other ways of interpreting the same facts, that people - yes, even good people - have different values to you. For me you are selling a creed of victimhood, of fragility, of hypersensitivity, in which people are incentivized to find offense, where everyone comes out a loser. Again: you seem to be a decent well-meaning person, you’re not throwing insults around like others here, and I hear the points you make. I’m sure you’re intelligent and I completely respect you. But I fundamentally disagree with your analysis. Good night.
This ^ ^ ^ is what privilege looks like.
But you know nothing about how privileged or not I am.
You have the privilege of not giving a shit about racist attacks.
No balls go tell your employer Hitler was right and you personally fucked a dog last night.
Trust me bro these words won’t hurt you, their kinetic energy is like in the milijoules at worst.
Some people mind. 🤷♂️ You do realize more people other than yourself exist in the world, right?
I personally couldn’t care less. But I also recognize that CodeBerg has every right to police their own platform in whichever way they see fit. If they don’t want this kind of shit on their platform because their users disagree with it, then all the more power to them.
Honestly lil bro, you lack emotional intelligence.
That was the personal insult. It was unnecessary and I’m not sure why you figure you needed to say that.
This, again, is my point. A puerile ethnic slur (I didn’t read it closely but I think that’s what it was) by provocateur spammers is cause for a big song and dance of solemn apologies and ostentatious contrition. But your personal insult lobbed against me is apparently fine. This is the modern value system that I don’t understand and don’t want to be part of, personally.
It’s not a personal insult. I’m objectively pointing out that your emotional intelligence is low, considering you’re seemingly incapable of understanding that some people mind slurs, and services have every right to police their own platforms…
He never insulted you… wtf
Just because it’s not hate against you does not make it not hate, you privileged little you.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
Lol! Not sure what message you got, but if it’s anything like mine, let’s test this.
Post the message you got in your company’s general Slack channel.
If you get fired, it’s a hate message. Else, it’s spam.
This anecdote only reinforces my point.
I get your point and generally agree but it’s not a non-issue.
I think the general gist is that if you don’t react to words, actions will follow.
And, historically, the pen has always been mightier than the sword.