Let me rephrase then - your political establishment has proven that it will happily subject you to the exact same fascist policies that it has been practising in the outside world for a very long time now… and you expect people who point this out to you to also provide you with a solution to this state of affairs?
All I’m seeing are people telling me both parties are the same,
That’s not exactly true… they serve the same status quo - and they wouldn’t be able to do that very effectively if they were exactly the same.
You don’t just cede to outright fascism just because.
Both parties might not exactly be the same… but both of them are perfectly fine with fascism. After all… both parties have happily funded, supported and enabled Israel’s (a fascist state) genocide since the '70s - and that’s just the one US-sponsored colonialist bloodbath the media is actually telling you about.
There’s a saying amongst leftists - fascism is just colonialism coming home to roost. And guess what… you have decades’ worth of colonialism inbound. Somehow, I don’t think a cross on a ballot is going to cut it.
Of course American power furthers American power. The goal should be to shift the Overton window left. Leftists would rather sit on their hands and watch it all burn. Why not run for office? Why not try outreach to working people or at-risk communities? Nah, much easier to just complain on social media.
Gee… I wonder why the left never does anything like that - it’s a complete mystery, I tell you.
Donating money? No I mean going out and helping people. Why aren’t leftists more popular amongst working people? Why is it always some angsty college drop out? (Idk that this is you, just my experience). The obvious answer is propaganda. But I don’t see much effort from the left. Sure, there are some but the messaging hasn’t been very successful.
And become a part of the problem? How will that solve anything?
Do you not see that if everyone maintains the attitude “if I am in power, I am part of the problem” then the only people who will run are those in favor of the problem? Power must be obtained and exercised. You can’t just concede all decision making to your enemy and then get pissed when your values aren’t represented in the state’s actions.
I’m advocating for you to start using your goddamn brain… but apparently, that’s an activity liberals don’t have much practice in.
If participating in formal political processes only allows for two options - fascism deferred for four years or fascism now (since that is, by your own argument, the situation you are in) it might be time to start considering not-so-formal political processes, might it not?
And that’s your only plan? Kicking the fascism can four years down the road?
Maybe you haven’t noticed… but four years of Dem regime has only made the fascists stronger. What do you think is going to happen in the next four years if Biden or Harris (somehow) manages a win in November?
Will we be having the exact same conversations then? Or will you have realized by then that the formal political establishment has no interest in stopping the fascists?
So don’t vote for Biden. Trump gets elected. Then what’s the next step? How can I keep my conscience spotless?
So if Trump gets elected it’s somebody else’s responsibility to tell you what “the plan” is because the Dems sold you a rotten one?
You’re the morons trying to argue that Biden is worse. You tell us.
So, again… if Trump gets elected it’s somebody else’s responsibility to tell you what “the plan” is because the Dems sold you a rotten one?
I’m not sure what this means.
Let me rephrase then - your political establishment has proven that it will happily subject you to the exact same fascist policies that it has been practising in the outside world for a very long time now… and you expect people who point this out to you to also provide you with a solution to this state of affairs?
No? All I’m seeing are people telling me both parties are the same, when they clearly are not. You don’t just cede to outright fascism just because.
That’s not exactly true… they serve the same status quo - and they wouldn’t be able to do that very effectively if they were exactly the same.
Both parties might not exactly be the same… but both of them are perfectly fine with fascism. After all… both parties have happily funded, supported and enabled Israel’s (a fascist state) genocide since the '70s - and that’s just the one US-sponsored colonialist bloodbath the media is actually telling you about.
There’s a saying amongst leftists - fascism is just colonialism coming home to roost. And guess what… you have decades’ worth of colonialism inbound. Somehow, I don’t think a cross on a ballot is going to cut it.
Of course American power furthers American power. The goal should be to shift the Overton window left. Leftists would rather sit on their hands and watch it all burn. Why not run for office? Why not try outreach to working people or at-risk communities? Nah, much easier to just complain on social media.
If you’re just fine and dandy with US imperialism I don’t see why you should have a problem with fascism, then.
And become a part of the problem? How will that solve anything?
Oh… you mean this?
Gee… I wonder why the left never does anything like that - it’s a complete mystery, I tell you.
Donating money? No I mean going out and helping people. Why aren’t leftists more popular amongst working people? Why is it always some angsty college drop out? (Idk that this is you, just my experience). The obvious answer is propaganda. But I don’t see much effort from the left. Sure, there are some but the messaging hasn’t been very successful.
Do you not see that if everyone maintains the attitude “if I am in power, I am part of the problem” then the only people who will run are those in favor of the problem? Power must be obtained and exercised. You can’t just concede all decision making to your enemy and then get pissed when your values aren’t represented in the state’s actions.
You’re the one doing advocacy here, let’s see what you’ve got
I’m advocating for you to start using your goddamn brain… but apparently, that’s an activity liberals don’t have much practice in.
If participating in formal political processes only allows for two options - fascism deferred for four years or fascism now (since that is, by your own argument, the situation you are in) it might be time to start considering not-so-formal political processes, might it not?
Right, and in the mean time, it sure sounds like not having fascism now is the preferable option there.
And that’s your only plan? Kicking the fascism can four years down the road?
Maybe you haven’t noticed… but four years of Dem regime has only made the fascists stronger. What do you think is going to happen in the next four years if Biden or Harris (somehow) manages a win in November?
Will we be having the exact same conversations then? Or will you have realized by then that the formal political establishment has no interest in stopping the fascists?