• TheFogan@programming.devEnglish
      191·
      13 days ago

      had the native american’s been smart enough to build a wall across the ocean… none of this mess would have happened.

      • Geodad@lemm.eeEnglish
        61·
        13 days ago

        Powhatan should have 💀 them as they came ashore. That’s one thing I would fix with a time machine.

  • JVT038@feddit.nl
    22·
    13 days ago

    Lots of populist European parties are doing the same and are actually gaining votes by blaming everything on the immigrants.

  • Sleepless One@lemmy.mlEnglish
    21·
    12 days ago

    The only wrong part of this meme is the implication that burgers would even try to not blame foreign meddling.

      • Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de
        1·
        8 days ago

        To be fair, anything, literally anything, that Nigel Farage says, can and should be dismissed as nonsense. If he would say the sky is blue, dismiss it. If you want to know the color of the sky, you can find a better source of information.

        • Samsuma@lemmy.ml
          1·
          7 days ago

          If you had actually read or paid any attention to the video included in the article posted, you’d know that it wasn’t Nigel pointing fingers at another politician for being “too communist”. This isn’t in defense of GBN or Nigel. It doesn’t matter what source of information is used here, it doesn’t change the established behavior of Europeans blaming every slight inconvenience/loss on foreigners, communism, etc… Why does this have to be spelled out for libs.

          Just because it’s not from your favorite mainstream source of slop, doesn’t mean we can’t critically engage with the material.

          • Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de
            1·
            6 days ago

            The source matters if you want to consider investing any time in it. Nigel Farage is a source that should make you completely dismiss it. He is a liar and fraud.

            Nigel Farage himself hates immigrants and communism. His guest is a far-right policing, who blames communism and without checking, I bet he is against immigration. Your source is GBN. They gave Nigel Farage a prime time show.

            So your sources of Europeans blaming Immigrants and communism, are literally political actors who are trying to make a career with it. In an article, in which they complain that their ability of spreading misinformation according to their political agenda, got reduced, by someone that they identify as the eu gold boy.

            In other words, your evidence that Europeans are blaming communism, is specifically a bias “news” reporting of a group of people with a history of doing that, in which they complain about people specifically fighting against their propaganda and arguably winning.

            • Samsuma@lemmy.ml
              1·
              6 days ago

              You can fist-fight the air by hyperfixating on the source and keep on missing the point all day long, the fact remains foreigners and communism are the fan-favorite scapegoats of the majority of the Europeans.

                • Samsuma@lemmy.ml
                  1·
                  6 days ago

                  Why should I provide more sources if you’re just going to derail the conversation and then examine the coat of paint (news platforms) shit stains (like Nigel) are painted with?

  • 🏴 hamid the villain [he/him] 🏴@vegantheoryclub.org
    212·
    12 days ago

    No you don’t understand, it wasn’t 80 years of fascist power consolidation and continual capitalist cannibalization since the 70s, It is all Putin manipulating social media causing the material conditions in the Global North. One thing is for sure, no one wrote a book in the nineteenth century describing this exactly.

    • Samsuma@lemmy.ml
      162·
      12 days ago

      You don’t understand, the U.S. was sold to Russia in 2016, then it was reclaimed and thanklessly saved by our harm-reduction, lesser-evilism enjoyer (very wholesome), then it was hopelessly sold back again to Russia just recently…

  • rumschlumpel@feddit.org
    234·
    13 days ago

    It’s not like most european countries are in a good position to justifiably point fingers here …

    • Dessalines@lemmy.mlOP
      202·
      13 days ago

      The author Domenico Losurdo uses the term mutual demystification a lot, especially in Liberalism - a counter history. When two parties accuse each other of being hypocrites, it often ends up showing that they both are.

      • rumschlumpel@feddit.org
        181·
        13 days ago

        I’d like to point out that I’m european, not american - this is the opposite of calling each other hypocrites.

        • Funkytom467@lemmy.world
          6·
          13 days ago

          When people are not brain dead by media, both in the US and EU we know all of our problems comes from our own government and fat CEOs.

          Foreigners are just one of the many scapegoats they put the blame on.

          What it reminds me of is Greeks and then Romans calling them barbarian, from barbar meaning foreigners. This isn’t new…

          The problem always was power and the unfit nature of human beings to possess it.

          • dawnglider@lemmy.mlEnglish
            4·
            12 days ago

            I wouldn’t expect anyone to deny the existence of corruption or abuse of power, but I think the corrupting influence of power is often used to justify in retrospect the acts of people put into power to do exactly that. It might sound pedantic to say that CEOs or state officials aren’t really “corrupt”, because they rarely ever intend to represent the interests of the workforce or population, but really it’s a total inversion of causality. They don’t “betray” because they got in power, they got in power to “betray”.

            On an interesting sidenote, it also goes against the common misconception that any form of authority ultimately leads to corruption, since those same CEOs and officials seem to stay pretty loyal.

            • Funkytom467@lemmy.world
              1·
              12 days ago

              Exact, and I believe most forms of power incentives bad actions and the worse individual to take it.

              Wich would entail it comes from our nature, dictating the properties of power.

              Good actions done by CEOs or the ones being loyal seems to me is coming from another facet of us.

              • dawnglider@lemmy.mlEnglish
                2·
                9 days ago

                Our economy is organized around exploitation, I understand the point that someone in power might use this power for their own good if unchecked, but in an economy of exploitation like ours, power is organized around said exploitation. The worst of people go to the top not because bad people inherently do (or as you say, because power incentivizes bad action) but because this system is structured around exploitation, being ruthless and clamping down as hard as possible on those below you.

                I don’t believe that power generally incentivizes bad action. Outside of the structure of a company or a capitalist state, it’s merely a factor to account for, like any other conflict or human element (and is usually handled fairly expeditiously). In my experience in non profit organizations, usual “human issues” are of course presents, but corruption and power abuse only ever rear their heads when the rubber hit the profit road.

                This confusion also isn’t a mistake, it’s a misdirection, perpetually maintained to depict the constant corruption of states and companies worldwide as a mere “unfortunate reality” of human organization, while minimizing scrutiny of the structures this corruption exists in. When Trump, Elon and friends are waging a crusade against corruption, you would think this misdirection is at its absolute stretching limit, but somehow it still holds strong even (and especially) in those critical of them.

                Sorry for stupidly long reply, in a word, I think we shouldn’t mistake “profit incentive”, for “power incentive”.

                • Funkytom467@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  8 days ago

                  Well I get your point and I do agree with your logic. Your correct about capitalism and our system centered around exploitation for profit.

                  The reason I generalize is because, although capitalism makes it its center, personal gain and profit still exist nonetheless.

                  Exploitation isn’t as new as capitalism, peasants under their king for instance was a major part of our history.

                  To me the more power an individual can get, the more he can serve himself, profit and exploit others. I believe this is the rule rather than the exception.

                  A lesser power would more easily lead to good actions because other incentives would compete with the smaller profit from your power. Hence why non profit organization are more free from corruption. As it’s true for mayor compared to president for instance.

                  (This is why democracy is such an appealing concept, it divide power in such a way that no one as enough for corruption to exist.)

                  P.S. I’m ok with long reply, I hope you’re good with that too…

  • crusa187@lemmy.ml
    121·
    13 days ago

    It’s not necessarily foreigners, but rather billionaires that are the problem. They bought off and corrupted government officials long ago, and directed them to perform heinous acts to line their pockets further. The rich have got to be stopped in order for things to get better. I’d prefer to simply tax them out of existence, but there are other means available…

    • Dessalines@lemmy.mlOP
      276·
      13 days ago

      The US was founded on slavery and genocide / conquest of hundreds of indigenous nations. It’s rotten to the core.

      • crusa187@lemmy.ml
        91·
        13 days ago

        Yeah, and many of those founders were rich businessmen who didn’t want to pay taxes to the king of England. This is a human problem, not a national one.

        • Dessalines@lemmy.mlOP
          155·
          13 days ago

          George washington, franklin, jefferson, madison, all the founders were slave-owning colonizers who explicitly modelled their country after ancient Rome.

          It’s not a human problem, these were specifically evil people who did not share the same values as the people they murdered and enslaved.

          Most countries were not founded in this way.

        • Sleepless One@lemmy.mlEnglish
          61·
          12 days ago

          Yeah, and many of those founders were rich businessmen who didn’t want to pay taxes to the king of England.

          They were pissy that the king made it illegal to expand westward and exterminate all of the indigenous people. They were all “no, actually, the British Empire isn’t evil enough. Let’s make an even bigger and eviller empire than the [at the time] most evil empire on Earth.”

          This is a human problem, not a national one.

          It is a national and class problem, not a human one. Human nature is a bs concept invented to sell the status quo.