This is Left Praxis, LIBERALS would never understand the 4d chess involved in how Trump winning helps Palestine and American minorities.

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    I think dismantling the ability of the opposition to acquire office or remove the ruling party from office is a existential threat to democracy.

    Playing legal games to go against the popular vote and stall a region’s vote is a violation of democracy. Not an existential threat to it.

    So unless you’d like to tell me how we haven’t had elections since, I stick by what I said.

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      There is now legal precedent to do that at any given moment. I’m literally so confused about why you are trying to die on this hill? Republicans have been eating away at voting rights for a long time. If only some people have their votes counted, that’s not a democracy.

      Edit: not to mention the persistence of the electoral college, which has already fundamentally destroyed the idea of democracy.

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        There is now legal precedent to do that at any given moment.

        Funny enough, one of the most outrageous parts of that case was that it explicitly did not establish legal precedent for it.

        If only some people have their votes counted, that’s not a democracy.

        So have we ever been a democracy, in your eyes?

        It’s real funny that you’re trying to normalize Trump’s behavior by casting it as just another Republican administration.

        Not ha-ha funny.

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          If it happened before, what is stopping it from happening again? Why can’t the Supreme Court do it again and also say “yeah but it’s not a precedent”?

          Why do you feel the need to pretend the US is suddenly becoming undemocratic? And why have you ignored that question? I am actually curious here?

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            If it happened before, what is stopping it from happening again?

            The same thing that would have stopped it in 2000 - an undeniable vote margin advantage in the contested state.

            Why do you feel the need to pretend the US is suddenly becoming undemocratic?

            Why do you feel the need to downplay and normalize the threat to democracy currently occurring?

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              Republicans have been like this for a long time, why are you denying it? It was bad in the 80s too. Did you forget Reagan? And his genocide against gay people during the AIDs crisis? Saying the Republicans have always been bad doesn’t make Trump any less bad.

              https://prospect.org/politics/2024-07-10-project-2025-republican-presidencies-tradition/

              Then as now, the Heritage Foundation gave a Republican president a blueprint to do it. Indeed, Project 2025’s Mandate for Leadership shares the same name, and same format, with the volume Heritage published in 1981.

              If anything, acknowledging this history strengthens your case against Trump, because we can look at the impacts of Republican policies and nominations.

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                Saying the Republicans have always been bad doesn’t make Trump any less bad.

                Republicans have always been bad, I’m pretty sure I was clear about that. But a presidential election of a Republican has not, previously, been a threat to the basic functioning of democracy. Now if you’re done playing apologist for the first attempted autocouper in US history…

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                  Someone would have to be out of their mind to interpret anything I have said as being a Trump apologist. Weren’t you just complaining about “purging” over disagreements? You seem perfectly happy to call me a “Trump apologist” for pointing out history. Recognizing that Trump is part of a broader pattern of conservative policies can only help.

                  And Trump was not the only coup in the US https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmington_massacre

                  But there are plenty of ways Republicans are currently awful, and have been awful. Are you saying that January 6th was worse than the genocidal handling of the AIDS crisis, worse than successful US-backed coups in South America? Worse than the GOPs ongoing history of voter suppression? It’s all bad.

                  edit: v cute how quickly you downvoted me 🥺

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                    And Trump was not the only coup in the US https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmington_massacre

                    And here I thought it was apparent that I was talking about the national government when discussing the fucking USA. And that’s not a fucking autocoup in any case, which is what I said.

                    Someone would have to be out of their mind to interpret anything I have said as being a Trump apologist.

                    But there are plenty of ways Republicans are currently awful, and have been awful. Are you saying that January 6th was worse than the AIDS crisis, worse than successful US-backed coups in South America? Worse than the GOPs ongoing history of voter suppression? It’s all bad.

                    Uh huh. Sure. Making equivalences of the first attempted autocoup with prior Republican policy doesn’t sound like Trump apologia at all.

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              And here you are kind of defending the Republicans? Like, oh the vote margin was small so it was kind of okay? Wtf? lol

              Why wouldn’t there be narrow vote margins again? It’s not implausible.

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                And here you are kind of defending the Republicans? Like, oh the vote margin was small so it was kind of okay? Wtf? lol

                You asked me what would stop it, not what was okay. Or have you forgotten?