(Seizing the state and then slowly reforming it is still slowly reforming it)

  • seeking_perhaps@mander.xyz
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    5 个月前

    This is an anti-historical take. You can disagree with ML methods or ideology while still acknowledging where they have had material success in bringing about wins for the working class.

    • MindTraveller@lemmy.caOP
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      4 个月前

      Really, that’s very interesting. I didn’t know marxist-leninists did any communist revolutions. I thought they only did socialist revolutions, and then expected the state to magically wither away over time. Of course, as you and I both know, Marx defined communism as stateless, so socialism with a state is not communism, and a revolution that doesn’t immediately dismantle the state isn’t a revolution producing communism. Could you give me any historical examples of marxist-leninists doing communist revolutions? Because honestly I thought only anarchists had ever done a real communist revolution.

  • Sneezycat@sopuli.xyz
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    5 个月前

    We know how feasible communist revolutions are. They end up in authoritarianism, not in communism.

    • rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works
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      5 个月前

      Socialism is working out fairly well for the Zapatistas rn. It worked out well for Catalonia until the PCE and the Republicans backstabbed the POUM and CNT, leading to the fascists winning against a weak and broken-up left.

    • JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca
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      5 个月前

      It seems like communism works best when it’s entered into voluntarily, which the capital class never will.

  • Shiggles@sh.itjust.works
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    5 个月前

    Is it acceptable to say I’m a liberal while US democrats by and large aren’t?

    Still better than the alternative by a mile, but that’s a super low bar.

  • Facebones@reddthat.com
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    5 个月前

    “Vote for Biden THEN move him left! (never mind that the DNC went to court to ensure their right to run whoever they want, and that both parties move the goalposts anytime a 3rd party comes close to inclusion, completely ensuring zero methods to move anybody to the left)”