• geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
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    20 hours ago

    Thanks for quoting one of the most brutal and violent empires known for oppression and slavery on how to achieve peace.

    • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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      3 hours ago

      The thought actually comes from Plato, the Latin is incidental because most people who could write in Europe in the past few millennia did so in Latin so most old adages survived in Latin.

      That said, do you have an argument against the substance of what I said other than the language?

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        2 hours ago

        Any time Europeans and Americans got a lot of weapons to “defend themselves” they suddenly found a great place in the Middle-East to defend themselves onto a few years later

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          2 hours ago

          So does Russia and China. Yeah, it would be a nicer world if we all wouldn’t start wars and stuff, but as you can see in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, that is not the case. Europe is currently militarily threatened by the US and Russia, so we either capitulate or do something about it.

          By your logic though, Russia should disarm, and the only countries that could be trusted with weapons in the region are Ukraine, Poland and the Baltics, as IIRC they never had significant colonies, right? Zelensky had a proposal for Ukrainian peacekeepers across Europe, would you support that together with a demilitarized Russia?

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            Russia slightly but moreso in Africa. China does not so far. Ukraine is a poor example as Ukraine tried to join NATO against the promises NATO made with Russia.

            Russia will not attack the EU as the EU has nukes. The only use for giant armies these days is to do imperialism with. China was cutting down on their army until the US went on a rampage again.

            Zelensky had a proposal for Ukrainian peacekeepers across Europe, would you support that together with a demilitarized Russia?

            Sure as long as they only send foot soldiers and don’t do stupid stuff like placing missile launchers on Russia’s border. And they won’t rob Ukraine of their minerals in exchange.