Ah yeah. The term “good” is overloaded. I don’t think anyone thinks he’s good morally. That would be next level stupid. But I do think some people think he’s ‘good’, as in they idolize him.
That said, I don’t even understand the conservative platform anymore. It used to be small government and let people do what they want. But now all the conservatives I know want to use big government to stop people from doing what they want.
I think the old conservatives are now “fiscally responsible liberals” maybe?
I don’t think anyone thinks he’s good morally. That would be next level stupid.
It’s literally the meme by the OP that conservatives are “discovering” that he is “bad” and the top level comment I responded to claiming that it needed to be explained to them and they couldn’t figure it out. And that was my question, if anyone could actually point to someone being this stupid. Which is why I think this whole “conservatives think he is good!” is, well, almost next level stupid.
It used to be small government and let people do what they want.
That’s what they used to say but it was never actually the case. I’m not sure how old you are, but “cancel culture” was something that existed long before left-wingers abandoned liberalism and took ahold of it, as conservative christians did it all the time. It just had to be rebranded when the left took it over and did it far more effectively.
On top of that, I remember when I was first convinced that gay marriage should be legal. I thought “man, this is actually a very conservative position that the government get out of the business of dictating what two people can enter into this contract.”
The “small government” has always just been an excuse to cut taxes.
But I agree with you that Trump has pulled them completely off the rails.
I think that’s the problem though. It wasn’t Trump that pulled them off the rails. The GOP hasn’t shrunk the government for as long as I can remember, and I’m in my 40s. You probably have to go back before Reagan to find a Republican president (or any president besides Clinton) that actually cut spending.
So anyone who is fiscally responsible today and calling themselves a conservative, must be a conservative for other reasons.
So besides money, what are the other things conservatives do? Why would anyone still be a conservative?
Ah yeah. The term “good” is overloaded. I don’t think anyone thinks he’s good morally. That would be next level stupid. But I do think some people think he’s ‘good’, as in they idolize him.
That said, I don’t even understand the conservative platform anymore. It used to be small government and let people do what they want. But now all the conservatives I know want to use big government to stop people from doing what they want.
I think the old conservatives are now “fiscally responsible liberals” maybe?
It’s literally the meme by the OP that conservatives are “discovering” that he is “bad” and the top level comment I responded to claiming that it needed to be explained to them and they couldn’t figure it out. And that was my question, if anyone could actually point to someone being this stupid. Which is why I think this whole “conservatives think he is good!” is, well, almost next level stupid.
That’s what they used to say but it was never actually the case. I’m not sure how old you are, but “cancel culture” was something that existed long before left-wingers abandoned liberalism and took ahold of it, as conservative christians did it all the time. It just had to be rebranded when the left took it over and did it far more effectively.
On top of that, I remember when I was first convinced that gay marriage should be legal. I thought “man, this is actually a very conservative position that the government get out of the business of dictating what two people can enter into this contract.”
The “small government” has always just been an excuse to cut taxes.
But I agree with you that Trump has pulled them completely off the rails.
I think that’s the problem though. It wasn’t Trump that pulled them off the rails. The GOP hasn’t shrunk the government for as long as I can remember, and I’m in my 40s. You probably have to go back before Reagan to find a Republican president (or any president besides Clinton) that actually cut spending.
So anyone who is fiscally responsible today and calling themselves a conservative, must be a conservative for other reasons.
So besides money, what are the other things conservatives do? Why would anyone still be a conservative?