Classical Marxist/Lenninism is specifically not intersectional. They’ll use race as a lever against capitalism but deny race as a social problem they must specifically intervene on. But it’s also stupid to adopt. There’s a reason TERFs are often fascist adjacent.
I think it’s like saying that Marxism isn’t… let’s say, Nietzschean. Those are two ways of looking into problems. In some points, they’ll coincide; in others, they won’t. I’m bad at analogies. Anyway, if you’re a Nietzschean (in this case, if you believe intersectionality is the proper way of looking at social phenomena), of course Marxism (probably in all its different branches) will look incomplete and like they’re building from the wrong premises to you. But if you were Marxist, you’d think the same of Nietzschean philosophy (or intersectionality).
I’m sure both have excellent reasons to believe in a framework or another, but we should not forget they are just that, not truth™. I say this not to fall into an absolute relativism but to prevent any side from falling into a conviction of moral superiority. We cannot be so sure about it.
There are plenty of early leninists who were deeply intersectional. Alexandra Kollontai jumps to mind immediately.
But yeah, there’s definitely a vulgar strain here that nutomic is clinging to.
As someone who just joined and picked .ml because it seemed generally leftist
What the fuck?
Yeah, I am too attached to my account because it’s several years old and was made when there were next to no instances running. But I can only shake my head at the amount of Marxist-Leninist nonsense that is at times pushed there, that unironically elevates what was a development of “Marxism” out of the material conditions of the Eastern Bloc as an imperialist sphere bent on market expansion and accumulation of national capital, into a religion-like orthodoxy.
No, ideology that is nominally Marxist, and having an educated caste of decision-makers highly trained in your interpretation of it at the top won’t prevent capitalist dynamics and bring about communism, only the material base and changing it will, and your ideology will follow what your material base demands. And that had been expansion of national capital for the Eastern sphere since the revolution failed to link up with any industrialised nations in the 1920s. The elevation of Marxism into a basically teleological ideology, claiming that with subservience to the interests of national capital, there will be communism at the end (a promise broken over and over again), is completely understandable by looking at the Soviet and Chinese spheres of influence from a Marxist perspective.
And even the structures put into place by Lenin were explicitly designed as for his own time and the conditions within the Russian Empire, not as an infallible orthodoxy, and things like Democratic Centralism explicitly contained open and free discussion before unity of action, which was just completely pushed away. Urgh, it’s sad to me, because I think a new, invigorated and organised communist movement is needed more than ever, but by redirecting it to the national interest of states like China (and even Russia, which isn’t even nominally communist, and just opposes western imperialism to impose its own imperialism - like choosing Germany over France in WWI, the exact shit Lenin fought against) instead of the international proletariat, just weakens it overall.
I mean there literally is one. European style social democracy and democratic socialism has made way more progress towards socialist ideals than anything inherited from the Leninist tradition. It’s just that the revolutionary fan service isn’t as good so the Orthodox MLs don’t like it very much.
Technology and social advances have increased the wealth and income disparity that the working class will tolerate without destroying the system.
Leftism doesn’t require trans activism. It happens there mostly due to tribalism, not because the ideology somehow makes it necessary.
It sure does require supporting healthcare as a human right.
I don’t exactly see why that’s a requirement. You mean because trans people usually need costly medical treatments?
Weaken work performance because of poor mental health will be much more costly in the long run for society.
Healthcare is not a zero sum game and we can tax the rich much more to cover it all.
It’s easy to make a new account.
I’ve really tried, but discuss.tchncs.de ghosted me, world kinda sucks, and lemm.ee is incredibly slow and semi broken for me, idk what else to use, I’m worried about. Ca because I’m in the old world so far away
sh.itjust.works is easy to make an account on and is sane.
Other leftist instances you might consider:
- Beehaw.org
- Lemmy.Blahaj.Zone
- Lemmy.DBZer0.com
- Midwest.social (USA)
- Feddit.uk (United Kingdom)
- Aggregatet.org (Sweden)
- Feddit.org (Germany)
- JLai.Lu (France)
- Slrpnk.net
Midwest.social bans landlords on sight ❤️
Nice so I can bring up that every family should be limited to one home until housing is fixed.
Didn’t beehaw cut themselves off from, uh, everyone?
From LW, yeah. They still federate with us though. And honestly, I get it.
Oooo Midwest social is left leaning??? This makes my rust belt ass happy
Yeah the admin is from Ohio. He’s definitely a leftist but that doesn’t really mean much on the day to day running of the instance.
It’s Lemmy, most of the instances are left leaning, the question is usually how far left they go.
It is basically all left, the question is: are they sane left or historical revisionist “left” denying any wrongdoing from the state capitalist nations they worship?
Indeed
Feddit.UK isn’t necessarily leftist, just “don’t be a jerk”
Man. Says everything you need to know about non-leftwinf politics, doesn’t it?
Slrpnk.net seems perfect, I’ll make an account on there as soon as I can
Welcome!
I hath found success!
Welcome home! (Well its my second home, but I super love the vibes here and more and more it might become my true home)
🎉🥳🎊🍾
Blahaj.zone would be a good fit for you as it is hosted in Finland and ran by trans folks
Censored in the country I’m currently in :(
I’m only here temporarily though, once I’m back home in Egypt I’ll be able to join, but then again I’m here pretty often, I’d have to keep the .ml account for use when I’m here
I’m surprised Lemmy servers are being censored already. How about sopuli.xyz?
That seems perfect, I’ll be using that and slrpnk.net and seeing which one fits me more I guess
It’s also hosted in Finland.
Funnily enough Lemmy.ml is censored in China.
lemm.ee is incredibly slow and semi broken for me
Strange, I’m in Europe too and it works quite well
Lemmy.zip is nice
Pretty sure ML stands for Marxist Leninist, doesn’t it?
It stands for Mali (the country the domain is registered to) but I think Marxist-Leninist was a happy coincidence for them.
Marxist Leninists aren’t usually transphobic
Shout out to Leslie Feinberg. Everyone go read Transgender Warriors.
If they are shilling for Russia or China they are.
LGBTQ+ members get killed on the spot over there, and the cops say they deserve it.
They are when in private, quite actively actually.
I made the same mistake. They are the stupid kind of leftists
There’s another kind? 🙂 Give me them downvotes 😆
Yes. It worries me that you haven’t found them. Either you have but you thought they were stupid anyway because of them being leftists, or you haven’t because you do not believe in any way in equality, solidarity, search for knowledge, and many other values the left stands for. This I find difficult to believe.
Or it’s a joke ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Only leftists are allowed to hate other leftists. Them’s the law 'round these parts, partner.
Oh golly gee willikers, I looked it up & you are 1000% correct. 🫠
I bend over, firmly grab my ankles, and say ORANGE MAN SO VERY BAD, in accordance with the invisible ink on the US Constitution. Which only the most awesome liberal elites know about, the rest or us just meander around in the dark, waiting for them to scream at us & enlighten us on the one true way to political salvation. 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Well yes. There’s a smart kind of leftism too. The kind they had in the 70s and 80s. But it’s not very mainstream right now.
It is generally leftist. Unfortunately you are probably imagining leftist economics but they want “leftist” authoritarianism. They despise capitalism. They love state capitalism. They will excuse any atrocities and human rights violations that occur as long as the country is extremely authoritarian and pretending to be economically left.
They are historical revisionists as well. Admins are extremely fragile. They will ban you from every community for writing historically accurate facts. If you find this screenshot appalling you should preemptively switch to a different instance before they catch you doing wrongthink and ban you.
Source: I had a lemmy.ml account for the same reasons as you.
they will ban you for writing “cunt” lol
Some .ml cunt being a nutwad? Truly shocked, man.
They are one of the two people who created Lemmy.
Don’t judge kids based solely on their parent. Lemmy has outgrown them.
that was an amazing quote btw
Yeah, and how does that seem to be working out.
They created Lemmy because they got banned from Reddit, and destroyed /r/communism in the process.
How did they destroy /r/communism?
Harrasing and brigading other subs then getting it banned in the process.
Yeah these two are r/TheDonald of left-wing economic policies
Interesting. I wasn’t aware of the history but it fits what I know of them.
This one
What a fucking idiot.
What insisting there’s only one problem does to a motherfucker.
Studying communism excessively can ensure that you have shorting comings in other areas.
I don’t think too much communism is the problem with tankies. Just garden variety stupid and/or authoritarianism
winnie the pooh and putler propaganda gobble gobble
Based on the additional screenshots in a comment, it looks like this whole thing was bait to create drama.
All I did was ask for a feature and stated that humans right should be protected.
You started out with the whole “it’s the bourgeoisie pushing transphobia” thing.
No, nutomic started by ignoring the actual question that was asked and instead starting an ideological argument with a bad faith question. You might say that OP shouldn’t have taken the bait, but this was not started by them
I got them to drop the “nice” act so “taking the bait” was worth it
So… they requested a solution for a problem? What did they do wrong?
That’s not bait that’s a legit opinion to express, especially towards someone self identifying as an Marxist
Just breathed a sign of relief seeing you say that. Yep I chose the right instance
<3
Man I wanna be banned by this guy too he seems like a dick :3
Wow absolutely shocked. Not. I am a Blahaj user so not much of a threat to me, we can just move things. Tankies have always been a bit fucked in the head in terms of understanding left unity.
I wonder if the lead developers of Lemmy, and other federated software, who are also admins and mods of instances and communities, realize that they too are part of the bourgeoisie they rail so hard against? Then again, they probably have a whole gymnastics routine for how they somehow are not part of the aristocracy.
Hot take. Let’s just say that anyone who makes anything anyone else uses and feels dependent on is a part of the bourgeoise now, amirite?
They are. They don’t think about it.
Nutomic is a nepo-baby who feels guilty about being rich and rightfully so, ah, but he doesn’t feel guilty to the point of giving it away.
How TF are the developers of Lemmy part of the bourgeoisie? Or the aristocracy, which is different BTW?
Liberals simply don’t know what any of those words mean, or they’d be a social democrat at worst.
Update 2: Someone is mad
Just want to point out this unban you got:
Yup, I appreciate the good people out there!
Any idea who that is?
The second lemmy dev: Nutomic.
damn. feel bad for ya for dealing with them. They’re pretty awful people.
Excellent work! That’s one for the fridge
@nutomic@lemmy.ml can you comment on this statement, or at least its veracity? Kind of fucking alarming even if it was a private correspondence. Sure as hell gonna make it (more) impossible for me to convince my trans siblings to join Lemmy if shit like this is allowed to fly. And I’m sure a lot of us are in similar boats.
Show your siblings https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/
It’d probably help if you told them about blahaj instead of trying to pick a beef with a single code monkey you don’t have to interact with.
I very much do not want beef with @nutomic@lemmy.ml. I want clarity.
I decided to actually tag him because maybe seeing a voice that’s “new to him” would get him to respond since he hasn’t responded yet anywhere (as of writing) and I didn’t see anyone else having tagged him.
I commented in public because I want to be transparent about what I say and what he says in the low chance he responds, so that there’s no mucking about with screenshots and “leaking private messages”.
I want him to understand that this is a serious issue that could jeopardize his life’s work and not just someone trying to get “dunk points” on him.
It’d probably help if you told them about blahaj
Already have, lol. So the instance is trans-inclusive, but how can I convince them that the software is trans-inclusive and isn’t systemically biased against them? They’re not technical people; I’ve tried explaining the difference between federated and corporate social media.
Average Lemmy.ml user.
Communists are being pretty explicitly anti-liberal, and they make that a point pretty often.
And is becomes clear eventually as you see their posts and read their comments that these people aren’t misunderstanding liberals, they’re pretty aware that both in the meaning of the word and in practice, “liberals” generally want people to be free from shackles and free to do most anything. Typically summarized along the lines of “as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone, do what you want”.
Communists don’t agree with liberalism.
Communists want to demand much more of people and permit much less. They have much more in common with Putin’s extant but inflated voterbase than they like to admit. Even with Putin not being a communist.
Just go ahead and conflate outright tankies and ML’s with the entire communist space, sure, whatever. You ended up with “Communists want to take your toothbrush” level of analysis just because you paint too broadly.
The problem with liberalism isn’t that they champion liberty, it’s that they are woefully incapable of challenging systems of power, and that just enables the present biases and power imbalances in the system, ultimately always leading to fascist tendencies and sometimes an actual slip into fascism.
And that’s the beef the communist community at large has with liberals. They would theoretically be an ally, but will actually align with the fascists more often than with socialists/communists because they know fascists will ultimately still preserve upper class business interests.
I won’t say that your critique isn’t salient, it does fit in with what a lot of tankies seem to believe, as they regularly champion state power, but it always irks me when people only interact with online jackasses and then assume that all people who subscribe to a similar ideology share in those opinions.
Communists regularly act like they couldn’t be militant for liberal ideas. That the very act of getting serious requires dropping the tricolore banner and shedding the rainbow cloak to wield the hammer and sickle.
As if specific allyship to the repestedly failed methods of communism is necessary for the fight, but fighting to reimplement and expand on the occassionally very successful methods of liberal, welfare focused, regulatory and tax heavy Europe and America is seen as completely nonviable.
Spitting on pre-Reagan nation builders and embracing miserable failures whose only success was rallying and overthrowing, with no intelligent followup. Communism is dogmatic, it is stupid. It is technically bad at solving the problem of inequality.
As if everyone else who has given much thought to solving it was wrong, unless they embrace Marx specifically, and embrace him wholly, not just in part for a few important controbutions in an otherwise not very useful body of literary works.
This almost reads like satire in the context of my previous comment. I say you paint with too broad a stroke and don’t engage with communist ideas but only with a subset, you double down. I say liberals can’t grapple with the inherent flaws of the system and are unwilling to think outside it, you demonstrate it.
Where do you think you got the ideas for worker’s rights and heavy taxation of the wealthy? You think social democracy isn’t just one facet of the socialist critique of capitalism? You think you just fell out of the coconut tree?
I have no interest in adjuticating your point of view seeing as you’re unwilling to enage with mine, but the fact that you think all communists are marxist-leninists is comical. Even more, there are plenty of communists who aren’t even marxists. And not just communists, the whole left of liberal space is far more diverse than that. There’s anarchists, there’s anarcho-communists, there’s mutualists, syndicalists, on and on we go. There have been decades upon decades of work and thought put into the current, and it looks far more different than you could apparently fathom.
Once again, I ask you to stop looking at what internet ML chambers and anti-communist propaganda claims communism to be. There’s a lot more out there that you might perhaps agree with, if you were willing to engage in anything more than milquetoast tweaks to an inherently unjust system.
I say specifically Marx gets credit, but he is not a man with endless brilliant solutions.
And the communists I talk about are the ones I see. The core of the movement. That includes the majority that are much more ignorant than I, whose main interest in these ideologies is purely vibes and aesthetics with a couple of arguments stored away in the back of their mind.
Not the niche thinkers who most of them haven’t read.
These are our letters to eachother. Conversations that may as well find an audience of one as a million. Those who print their words on paper are not nearly as prolific as those who share them freely in this environment.
You lose modern politics reliably because you do not understand them. Your only surviving stock to champion the cause are either small and struggling, or they are no longer your champions at all. The movement never lasts, because it’s passionate, but stupid.
Communists don’t even agree with communists
I’m not a liberal by any stretch.
I’m sure you’re not. Conservative and authoritarian is the way the middle of this century is going.
LOL you live in a different reality. Also, MLs are authoritarians. Do you believe otherwise?
he sounds like hes pointing out hypocrisy on someone elses comment
am missing somethimg?
Ah, observe how the tankies come in to defend transphobia.
Yeah. That transgender is not a “topic”. It’s human and doesn’t have to be repressed any more. And haters hate that
it sounds like this person is counter arguing with someone else who made it a topic
No it sounds like they think transgenderism is a topic that is promoted, not a human quirk
@Beaver@lemmy.ca So sorry you had to hear this.
But this isn’t the first or last time the lemmy devs go off the deep end. Come check out !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works for a whole range of extremism the developers actively endorse and encourage
Nutomic has been marked red on Shinigami Eyes
What is that?
EDIT: I posted before Googling it, because I assumed it would just give me Naruto results. Turns out it took me to this browser extension. Thanks for sharing!
It’s from Death Note lol way darker
Shinigami are a general Japanese concept. The soul reaper’s from bleach were also referred to as shinigami. Basically kami/spirit of death. I did watch death note aeons ago. And the character attached to the death note was also a shinigami. Though I don’t remember anything special in reference to it’s eyes? Meh I probably just missed it or forgot. Its been almost 20 years XD
The eyes tell you how many days someone has left in Death Note.
So if someone shows up as red they’re more likely to be an antivaxxer as they’re more likely to be ignoring science, their days are going to be fewer as a result of their ignorance.
Aaah okay. That does seem familiar now that you mention it.
What I mean to say is transphobe = increased likelihood of dying.