• Godric@lemmy.worldOP
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    4 months ago

    Sorry if the following makes little sense, but your comment is interesting and I am quite buzzed on my evening off.

    In terms of outcomes, I don’t see the difference between someone not voting and voting third party for president in a first past the post system. If you throw away your vote, it’s the same as staying home.

    I think the best way to move a party in a direction is to have the right people join the 2-party system and change it from within.

    That’s done by winning primaries. AOC primaried the Chair of the fucking House Democratic Caucus and has been campaigning left very publicly since. Asa Democrat, not a more Left and irrelevant party.

    But they also have to be able to win general elections, as we saw many of the craziest Trumpers in 2022 win their primaries, being ideologically what their base wanted, and get their lunch eaten in the general election.

    Drunk TLDR: Work the two party system, don’t scare the normies and sink the boat, slow boil the country into a brighter future

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      4 months ago

      Here’s the thing though. You’re not just voting for the president this year. Telling leftists to get in line to support a candidate complicit in genocide is similarly likely to put Trump in the office. If you don’t want to see Trump elected, encourage voting generally. That includes supporting people that want to see Cornel in the office. Because the brass tacks is that most people lean to the left in this country. Telling them that a vote for “their guy” is pointless, keeps them home. It’s a factor as to why he was elected in the first place.

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        4 months ago

        Here’s the thing though.

        Supreme court is already captured. Congress is nearly captured.

        If Trump wins, there’s a good chance there won’t be another chance at resolving things even remotely democratically.

        I’ve voted 3rd party in the past when I lived there. But this election really is gonna be one where they can’t be affordable to do.

        This is a “lose the battle to fight the war” situation, because end of the day, ANY choice you make will still result in Palestinians being genocided.

        Voting for Trump, Biden, 3rd Party, or None.

        Unless you yourself have some military training and think you have a shit at straight up assassinating Netanyahu as a random like rogue assassin, there’s nothing you or I can do about that other than protest and boycott. You can still protest the genocide and criticize Biden. You can do campaign for 3rd party support elsewhere. You can still do so when congressional elections come.

        But you won’t have that option at all if Trump wins. The damn dude is literally calling himself a dictator.

        Jan 6th happened.

        You have to lack complete critical thinking skills to think, at this point, giving the guy who’s in the same ideological bed as Putin and Netanyahu a good chance at the presidency, is a good idea.