Dear comrades,
As we all know there are two soviet eras pre and post death of Stalin. We all know Khrushchev basically did a coupe detat, by killing all Stalinists and also by starting the anti Stalin propaganda. We know he was the cause of the Soviet Sino split.
But what exactly caused the split? What policies did he push that were reformist or capitalist in nature ? How exactly did he fuck up? I know the results, but I lack in knowledge of the causes.
As Deng said in an interview:
https://redsails.org/deng-and-fallaci/
By my understanding, this was in large part because Khrushchev wanted to put Soviet military bases in the PRC and the latter refused.
I think we need Khruschev’s side of the story, tbh.
I’ve read most of your comments, and I get a really strange feeling from them. Almost like “I’m not going to bother reading Kruschev myself, but you all are WRONG because you’ve never read him”.
As an ML community, we’re committed to historical materialism (you can see an excellent overview of it from Marx here: https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/h/i.htm#historical-materialism). What I take from that is we have can have a deeper understanding of history than “mere” historians, who still typically lack any understanding of class or political economy.
And we especially don’t need to read all the “Great Men” who “made things happen”. We know that history is a process of class struggle, and understand its outcomes as such
And I would add that there’s especially little value in studying the far right if our goal is to understand what they want.
Sartre put it best:
I liked that you hid your reply to me behind another comment. Classy.
I like how you also quote an anti-communist in bad faith.
Never change.
Damn, so many ad hominems there comrade. Please fuck off.
You first. The mods already told us to stop with this convo.
Ciao.
Not at all.
I’m friends with Ismail and he got me interested in reading the other side of the story.
“I’ve read most of your comments, and I get a really strange feeling from them. Almost like “I’m not going to bother reading Kruschev myself, but you all are WRONG because you’ve never read him”.”
Vibes aren’t research.
No investigation, no right to speak!
So I’m supposed to “research” your views…by reading through this thread…which is what I did.
Keep attacking a strawman.
lol
Kinda wild you’re getting ratioed for softly encouraging investigation lmao
Y’all other libs need to stop just adopting the meme positions of this site without actually reading, the realities of the decisions made in history are infinitely more complex than “this leader smart, all decision good; that leader dumb, all decision bad”
Yes, this is what I’m getting at.
But the mods have spoken. Let’s move on.
The collapse of the USSR and the ensuing tragedy (global tragedy btw) suggest otherwise.
It does the opposite.
Why do you think so?
So we can get the complete history lol
Imagine saying something akin to “let’s hear Gorbachev’s side of the story - we need the complete history” in 1993. There was an interview - it was bogus through and through. You won’t get the complete history that way.
Why not hear Gorby’s side of the story?
We did. It’s just that he lied a lot
idk, I personally think he rather lost his right to that with all the lying in the Secret Speech, which was then cover for slaughtering Stalin’s supporters in the political establishment, but you can do what you like, of course
Sure, but I don’t think anyone really loses that “right.”
That’s a big statement. You really don’t think anyone loses that?
Including conscious Right-wingers and Rightist-serving wreckers?
Including them.
(Plus, I think the mods are done with this convo.)
Tbf there was also lots of chauvinism from the USSR towards the PRC, starting with the liberation of Manchuria from the Japanese. The seeds of the split were planted early.
Interviews like this make think that excellent journalism is effectively dead in our times. We are never gonna get a cross-cultural dialogue this now.