Ukrainian forces that have occupied part of Kursk Region have committed atrocities against civilians while using them as human shields, the commander of the Akhmat Special Forces from Russia’s Chechen Republic has claimed.
In a post on Telegram on Monday, Apty Alaudinov recounted an episode in the border town of Sudzha, where he said Ukrainian troops had entered a residential house with children inside.
“In this building, they settled down on the ground floor… and chased children and teachers upstairs to use them as a shield,” he said, adding that this practice is widespread. He claimed that first-person footage filmed by the Ukrainians had ended up in Russian hands, and showed the brutality of Kiev’s forces.
“I received a huge number of photos in which I saw civilians who were simply shot at point-blank [range], in the head and from the back. All these civilians, unfortunately, died,” he said, expressing his condolences and vowing revenge.
As fighting continues on the border, videos have surfaced on social media showing Ukrainian troops grabbing people off the street, blindfolding them, and pushing them into trucks.
As opposed to the horrors of fascist war criminal squads murdering and committing other crimes against Russian civilians? As opposed to this war dragging on and more Russian soldiers die?
It is the fault of the Ukrainian people for not resisting their government’s coup to fascism, for not resisting the rise of fascist militias. For not resisting the escalation to war with Russia. For being good little liberals who passively let it happen. Just as US-ians passively let their country supply a genocide, passively let their country do all these horrible things.
I don’t have much sympathy for them and more importantly I don’t see a way out. Russia didn’t choose to make them die and suffer the US did. Russia has only the power to choose how quickly they accept this. The US is actively feeding people to the meat grinder. So crying and boo-hooing about the terrorist nazi regime state and its people suffering is just… I don’t care.
I mean maybe you’ll pull out that uh those people were propagandized and of course they were, so no were Nazis, look what the allies did to Nazi Germany and the civilians there. They surely did not have a fun time but it was necessary to fight that way. Just as it’s necessary I think for Russia to take the gloves off. Power is not a civilian thing. It’s dual use. Power is being used to manufacture drones to attack and kill Russian civilians, to damage and attempt to destroy civilian infrastructure. Power is being used to power their war machine, their repair facilities, their modern military conveniences. Take it out and they have to truck in more fuel and burn more fuel and then you can cut those fuel supplies and cause shortages.
Russia didn’t choose total war. They went out of their way to avoid it. The US chose that. The path is before us. The question is not will Ukrainian civilians suffer. They have, they will, they should have stood up in 2014 and done something and you know I feel bad for the individuals who know this is fucked up and can’t escape but not worse than I feel for the Russian civilians who are being murdered, sexually assaulted, tortured, used as human shields, living in fear, suffering from this war. So the question is how many more Russian civilians will suffer with them before the foot is put down and Ukraine is beaten to a bloody pulp such that it cannot fight or resist anymore. Because that’s what it’s likely to take. The west refuses to give up, refuses to accept reasonable conditions for Russia and the Ukrainian regime will not give up. They’re doing total war, fall of Berlin levels of fanatacism and it will likely take fall of Berlin level destruction of their country to operate to smash their state, their ability to wage war and neutralize them and bring peace not only to the Russians suffering because of Ukrainians who didn’t stand up but to those same Ukrainians.
The only path is through.
I’m sorry, but this is a bit fucked up, and at the very least naive and idealistic.
First of all - many of them did. Secondly - the vast majority of the people did not realize that a coup was taking place. And they were genuinely angry at the government in Kiev at that time, which was corrupt af - that is how the majority of color revolutions happen.
Perhaps. Although I’d say it’s sort of hard to do when you have unarmed masses of the people against well-trained death squads who have weapons with live ammo and full US/CIA backing. The people of Mariupol might tell you a thing or two after expelling the Banderites in May 2014. If only it were that easy.
You know what I was doing in 2014, for instance? Spending an entire year in a psychiatric hospital - I got hospitalized with stress-related anxiety disorder, lots of details, I won’t go into them. Point being - I missed it entirely. I didn’t even know what was going on at the time. And no, I’m not absolving myself of all responsibility - at the very least I should not have been apolitical almost my entire life. But I’ll tell you this - there’s a shit ton of people who missed the events of 2014 simply because they were too preoccupied with their miserable lives.
Need I remind you that 73% of the people voted for Zelensky in 2019, primarily because he promised to end the war in the Donbass and normalize relations with Russia? Again, it’s not like people all of a sudden want war. Keep them in the dark and in poverty long enough - and they will have no time to read a single book in years, let alone become class conscious and politically active.
Gee, thanks a lot. Easy to say when you have no skin in the game.
It never worked that way. You place the brunt of responsibility on those who have no power in the game. The Nazis did not come to power because the German people voted them in - they were forced into power. And sure, there is a certain degree of responsibility, I’ll give you that - but then again, remind me kindly - who did all the dirty work behind the scenes? Who was instigating ethnic separatism in the USSR? Who nurtured those Banderite Nazis for 50+ years in their backyard (Canada) and then started sending them after 1991? Who invested billions of dollars re-educating the local population into those liberals - something I can attest to myself, being a product of the education system? Who impoverished the said country, first with shock therapy in 1990s and then with subsequent IMF loans? Who instigated two color revolutions in a single decade? Who couped the government in 2014? Who supported the Nazis every single step of the way, gave them those shiny weapons to terrorize the people in Donbass, gave them intel and diplomatic cover, build CIA bases and biolabs to test all sorts of stuff?
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If random Ukranians deserve war for not ousting their nazi government, then all of us westerners deserve to be broken on the wheel.
What. Are. You. Talking about? Nah… Of course we deserve to be wiped out. What are you, some sort of a tankie or what?
There’s very little equivalence between the Palestinians and non-Nazi Ukrainians, I want to make it very, very clear. But… There are two kinda similar things to point out: 1) both are being sacrificed on the altar of US capitalism and Western imperialism (in very different ways, but still) and 2) the US can end the suffering in both cases with a snap of a finger (it’s more complicated than that, I know - in theory at least).
Speaking of number 2 - we’ve seen massive anti-genocide protests in the West, something I’m very happy about. Why? I’d say because it’s not easy to paint the genocide in Gaza in any different sort of way. Yet we don’t see a lot of anti-war protests when it comes to ending military support for the Ukroreich, except for occasional meetings here and there, or dedicated peace activists storming Bernie “Zionist apologist” Sanders’ office. But hey, let’s primarily blame the proles of a puppet state and leave out this bit.
More like if tomorrow China turned off the US power grid through hacking I’d say it was deserved and I have no sympathy. Or if tomorrow Russia bombed a major US military base and killed a bunch of civilians who serviced and supported it in carrying that out I’d shrug and laugh.
Are you one of those people who gets upset when someone says something like “America deserved 9/11”? Because the US deserves a lot of things, chickens coming home to roost.
So yes Ukraine needs to lose most of their power grid. Sucks but it’s probably necessary to break them, to destroy their country, to bring their war machine to a halt and to get to the point of peace. They’ve tried asking nicely of the Ukrainian puppet regime to surrender, to come to terms, they tried negotiating for years, 8 years without fruit or anything but deliberate delaying tactics.
And I love how you bad faith people come here and put words in my mouth, say I’m suggesting targeting civilians. No I’m suggesting taking out the power grid, not bombing homes with people in them but taking out power generation as well as distribution. Yes that makes life a bit miserable. Yes that kills some people. So does keeping the power on and letting them use it to make weapons to kill Russians. If someone has to die, and it’s clearly the case that that is a FACT. I’d rather it be a Ukrainian civilian than a Russian one. I’d rather neither die but I don’t live in the world of rather, I live in the real world. And in the real world for all their problems Russians aren’t supporting Nazism, historical revisionism and trying to carry out enforcement of the primary contradiction of this age which is US/NATO hegemony, they’re trying to break it while Ukraine is trying to uphold it.
Pure idealism on display, boo-hoos and sobs. Like I said I don’t care, a choice has been made and I choose the Russian lives, the Russian civilians, the Russian right to live in peace free from fear. Just like in a war between China and US I hope Americans are the ones who need more body bags. I’d rather American civilians get killed in a hypothetical war (of American aggression) between China and the US if it means fewer dead Chinese soldiers or civilians. I’m happy to say that and if you aren’t then you’re not serious.
Not only are your tactics ineffectual (the Russians would have already done them if they could stop the war quickly), but they are also sadistic (which is a big part of why they are ineffective).
Modern war between republics never boils down to just a show of pure force. War is politics. That is the reason why the US has such a poor track record despite technological superiority
Doesn’t mean that everyone in the towers deserved to be blown up or crushed. Also - the more you kill, the more Amerika’s got to show for their public to manufacture consent for the wars.
That’s not the thing people criticized you for - I think this point is rather obvious to everyone (myself included), no one was disagreeing with it.
I am pretty sure no one’s been making bad faith arguments. It’s more like someone’s got backlash and instead of doing selfcrit decided to double down.
You are contradicting yourself. Is it the world of rather or not the world of rather?
Also - you’ve mentioned several times how it’s all Ukrainian civilians’ fault. THAT is a bad faith argument. You know, whatever fault there can be ascribed - western civilians are a zillion times more guilty, judging by that logic. Thing is - they’ll get away with it scot-free, and we’re already paying with our lives. Funny how that works.