Also this is basically Russian Patsoc // Nazbol-Lite // Strasser-Lite and by popular vote this should be on SReactionariesS instead of SUltrasS

  • farmer_of_song@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Millions of Soviets died to protect Stalin’s Soviet Union, which criminalized homosexuality. How would you suggest we proceed from here?

    • GenderIsOpSec [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      2 months ago

      society has a trend towards progressive values the longer it lasts, eventually enough activisim work would make someone realise that lgbtq people are workers too. shrug-outta-hecks

      return to capitalism certainly didnt improve the lives of gay people in eastern europe.

      edit, The real question is why is the so called vanguard party tailing the most reactionary elements of society.

      I guess Lenin should’ve vied for support by pogroming jews?

      • farmer_of_song@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Stalin had a purge of Jewish functionaries late into his rule.

        About 90% of Russians oppose gay marriage, and the CPRF has chosen not to be the vanguard party on LGBTQIA+ issues. Given that they control about 11% of the Duma, and have two governorships in Russia, their strategy seems to be working out well. Moreover, it smooths relations with United Russia given that UR controls nationalism in Russia and CPRF is also effectively nationalist in wishing to restore the Soviet Union.

        The best possible outcome for Russia is still CPRF gradually taking the helm away from UR, and pushing hard on LGBTQIA+ makes this more difficult, if not impossible.

        • GenderIsOpSec [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
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          2 months ago

          so the Lenin should’ve exterminated the jews, very smart and clever. I’m sure the society your “communist” party wants is going to be totally different actually from the ruling capitalist one.

          There’s a difference between advocating for lgbtq rights AND THROWING US TO THE WOLVES. Literally you can just stfu about the issue if 90% of people want to murder gay people. shrug-outta-hecks

          • farmer_of_song@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
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            2 months ago

            There’s also a difference between pushing hard for LGBTQIA+ issues and passive support in countries where popular opinion is against you.

            I think this is the point of critical support.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_North_Korea

            Fact of the matter is, most of BRICS and AES are more retrograde on LGBTQIA+ than Western nations, and China has shown backsliding, with the Global Times editor-in-chief being censored for plugging a transgender talkshow host on his Weibo.

            It is a perfectly valid position to take a pro-Western bourgeois democracy stance if you make LGBTQIA+ the core of your politics, but if you don’t, you accept critical support as your main line.

              • farmer_of_song@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
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                2 months ago

                Yeah, sorry, but I know there are many LGBTQIA+ people here for which LGBTQIA+ issues are often existential (i.e, murder by bigots).

                But we do have to acknowledge that Western bourgeois democracies are more progressive on LGBTQIA+ issues and that this will become a splintering line by bourgeois establishments, and this has to be brought into discussion.

                Western communist parties generally are pro-LGBTQIA+, but communist parties in the Global South are often more regressive (Laos, for instance, limits LGBTQIA+ discussions online, but culturally tolerates transgenderism). I can put out my critical support line, but it’s not a strong position to hold.

                How do we sincerely engage with this problem?