What I don’t like about this, is that a stadium hardly holds people at a sort of normal density. People take up a bunch more space in their day to day lives than inside a stadium. Stadiums are literally built to facilitate this.
I’m not saying the sentiment is bad but the example is.
Are you sure? It’s not just the seats. If we sum up all the entryways, access corridors, store areas, playing field, locker rooms, office spaces, lounges, rest rooms etc. how much space does each person actually have available in a stadium if distributed equally?
Sure it’s not as much as a suburban house, but it might very well be more than a small apartment.
nah, I’m sorry but stadiums are literally designed for people to be as packed as possible. especially a full stadium is incomparable especially once you take into account just how many people there are in there. in normal living (like regular size apartments or offices).
If you do the math (just in terms of plain building area) for the Santiago Bernabéu Stadium in Madrid, then you get to something like 4.7 m^2 per occupant (assuming staff numbers are negligible and that attendance is at capacity (which historically it’s been overshot by as much as 50%)). A 5m^2 apartment is pretty small. this is maybe the size of a small bathroom or less than half the area of a single parking space in france. (less than a 3rd of a US one).
Now is this enough space for people in a dense public place? yes. Is it. is it enough space to work or live in? not really. I mean it can be done but now we’re looking at japanese microapartment sizes.
point being. this is not that great a comparison even just in how it’s perceived by an average onlooker.
Without doing any actual calculations, I think we agree that the current distribution of people is maximized to customize as many as possible in the available customer section. However, if we were to include the entire land square meters and height of a stadium, including making space on levels above the playing field, I do think it would be possible to reach a population density lower than Kowloon City. (Which again was pretty extreme).
What I don’t like about this, is that a stadium hardly holds people at a sort of normal density. People take up a bunch more space in their day to day lives than inside a stadium. Stadiums are literally built to facilitate this.
I’m not saying the sentiment is bad but the example is.
It’s a good image for transportation though. Pedestrians walking somewhere can absolutely get as tight as they do in a stadium.
I can get on board with that
Are you sure? It’s not just the seats. If we sum up all the entryways, access corridors, store areas, playing field, locker rooms, office spaces, lounges, rest rooms etc. how much space does each person actually have available in a stadium if distributed equally?
Sure it’s not as much as a suburban house, but it might very well be more than a small apartment.
nah, I’m sorry but stadiums are literally designed for people to be as packed as possible. especially a full stadium is incomparable especially once you take into account just how many people there are in there. in normal living (like regular size apartments or offices). If you do the math (just in terms of plain building area) for the Santiago Bernabéu Stadium in Madrid, then you get to something like 4.7 m^2 per occupant (assuming staff numbers are negligible and that attendance is at capacity (which historically it’s been overshot by as much as 50%)). A 5m^2 apartment is pretty small. this is maybe the size of a small bathroom or less than half the area of a single parking space in france. (less than a 3rd of a US one). Now is this enough space for people in a dense public place? yes. Is it. is it enough space to work or live in? not really. I mean it can be done but now we’re looking at japanese microapartment sizes.
point being. this is not that great a comparison even just in how it’s perceived by an average onlooker.
Without doing any actual calculations, I think we agree that the current distribution of people is maximized to customize as many as possible in the available customer section. However, if we were to include the entire land square meters and height of a stadium, including making space on levels above the playing field, I do think it would be possible to reach a population density lower than Kowloon City. (Which again was pretty extreme).