I’m sorry, but I was raised by them. I saw people indoctrinated into believing North African religions were Satan worship who wants to harm Good Christians, that women don’t have reproductive rights and that gay and trans people are scum. Liberation of the proletariat does not exist without liberation from religion.
There are nonreligious homophobes and misogynists and racists and trans phones. There are religious people who aren’t bigots at all.
Clearly the religion is an excuse for the bigotry and not the ultimate source of it, or neither of those would be true.
Saying that Judaism inherently inclines one to the kinds of genocidal crimes Israel is committing makes you a fucking antisemite and is clearly disproven by the number of religious Jews who have been vocally opposed to the genocide and to Zionism generally.
You don’t get to “I’m oppressed too” your way out of being called out for bigotry.
You seem to think my view is that “all religious people have the same beliefs”. It’s not. But I think a system designed to indocrinate reactionary beliefs and hatred towards people towards people who don’t belong in those systems from a young age on the premise that it’s your sole reason for existance causes people to have reactionary beliefs. Guess it’s bigotry to call someone out for spreading bigotry towards you.
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies.
Let’s see if he was right, you said:
You seem to think my view is that “all religious people have the same beliefs”. It’s not.
But no, here’s what I think your view is:
Are you saying that Judaism is an inherently genocidal religion/culture?
Your response?
Not any more than other religions, but yes, it’s in the book preached as the word of God and prophets. Israel is what happens when you put bronze age values in practice
Let me cut out all the weasel words for you
Yes
Yes, you think that Judaism is inherently genocidal.
You know, I said that on a whim, but on second thought I am. I would rather not argue with people I think are cool, but in my view, religion, as an institution, proliferates and helps perpetuate hatred. It’s not the only one, and it’s often a tool for others to do that. But I’m conviced it’s an outdated institution we (in general, not each specific person) would be better off casting away.
Religious superstition and prejudice is a problem, yes, but if you think religion is the singular source of society’s problems and of human suffering in general, or that its absence would make those problems all go away in a puff of euphoria, you should be sorry.
No, of course not. I agree with you on that. Ultimately how a religion is followed is a reflection of the society, but I hope you’ll agree that the source materials have a lot of outdated beliefs from a time where people knew little about a lot of things and it’s fertile grounds for otherwise well meaning people to do harm.
but I hope you’ll agree that the source materials have a lot of outdated beliefs
So does Reddit New Atheism.
There’s no special monopoly on unqualified false expertise, bad hubris-laden ideology, or even propaganda that justifies murder and mayhem that is exclusive to religion, and not all of it is ancient. In fact some of the most fucking ignorant people in the industrialized world get taken for a ride and get into some very bad beliefs because they think that abandoning religion makes them objectively smarter than everyone else and immune to being fooled.
What the fuck happened here, in a Palestine section of Lemmy of all places?
How would these two fucking fedora tippers fare if they walked among suffering Palestinians in Gaza and said “religion, all religion, is bad actually” with the smug-ass tones they’re putting here?
No clue. I thought this kind of dumb reductive nu atheist “religion is the cause of all evil” had kind of died out when they morphed into acolytes of the Jungian fascism of Peterson
I’m sorry, but I was raised by them. I saw people indoctrinated into believing North African religions were Satan worship who wants to harm Good Christians, that women don’t have reproductive rights and that gay and trans people are scum. Liberation of the proletariat does not exist without liberation from religion.
I was raised by evangelicals myself, and also went through a nu atheist phase when I was 14.
You’re a bigot and you need to grow up and put that away.
Sure, I’ll ignore all problems it causes once I get privileged enough that they stop affecting me
There are nonreligious homophobes and misogynists and racists and trans phones. There are religious people who aren’t bigots at all.
Clearly the religion is an excuse for the bigotry and not the ultimate source of it, or neither of those would be true.
Saying that Judaism inherently inclines one to the kinds of genocidal crimes Israel is committing makes you a fucking antisemite and is clearly disproven by the number of religious Jews who have been vocally opposed to the genocide and to Zionism generally.
You don’t get to “I’m oppressed too” your way out of being called out for bigotry.
You seem to think my view is that “all religious people have the same beliefs”. It’s not. But I think a system designed to indocrinate reactionary beliefs and hatred towards people towards people who don’t belong in those systems from a young age on the premise that it’s your sole reason for existance causes people to have reactionary beliefs. Guess it’s bigotry to call someone out for spreading bigotry towards you.
Some jackass once said:
Let’s see if he was right, you said:
But no, here’s what I think your view is:
Your response?
Let me cut out all the weasel words for you
Yes, you think that Judaism is inherently genocidal.
Fuck you, you antisemitic trash.
“I can ignore everything you say except the part that I want to mischaracterise.”
Get the fuck out of here and go back to Reddit where you belong. You’ll be congratulated nonstop there no matter how masturbatory your takes are.
You’re not.
You know, I said that on a whim, but on second thought I am. I would rather not argue with people I think are cool, but in my view, religion, as an institution, proliferates and helps perpetuate hatred. It’s not the only one, and it’s often a tool for others to do that. But I’m conviced it’s an outdated institution we (in general, not each specific person) would be better off casting away.
Religious superstition and prejudice is a problem, yes, but if you think religion is the singular source of society’s problems and of human suffering in general, or that its absence would make those problems all go away in a puff of euphoria, you should be sorry.
No, of course not. I agree with you on that. Ultimately how a religion is followed is a reflection of the society, but I hope you’ll agree that the source materials have a lot of outdated beliefs from a time where people knew little about a lot of things and it’s fertile grounds for otherwise well meaning people to do harm.
So does Reddit New Atheism.
There’s no special monopoly on unqualified false expertise, bad hubris-laden ideology, or even propaganda that justifies murder and mayhem that is exclusive to religion, and not all of it is ancient. In fact some of the most fucking ignorant people in the industrialized world get taken for a ride and get into some very bad beliefs because they think that abandoning religion makes them objectively smarter than everyone else and immune to being fooled.
Welcome to the reddit nu atheist pile on. I was not expecting antisemitic Sam Harris to be a thing, but here it is
What the fuck happened here, in a Palestine section of Lemmy of all places?
How would these two fucking fedora tippers fare if they walked among suffering Palestinians in Gaza and said “religion, all religion, is bad actually” with the smug-ass tones they’re putting here?
No clue. I thought this kind of dumb reductive nu atheist “religion is the cause of all evil” had kind of died out when they morphed into acolytes of the Jungian fascism of Peterson