“IDGI, this person has the option to be the worst version of themselves. Why dont they choose to do that?!? Also why does noone want to be around me? Could it be that marinating my brains in a writhing compost of clapbacks and dunks is desensitizing me to my own dehumanizing? No. Clearly this is because woke.”
Is saying the word retarded without calling some it disrespectful? Is it now a trigger word? I’m genuinely wondering. Because when we were growing up we used the word EVERYWHERE. It was as common as saying “fricken”
People used to use the n-word all the time, so it must be perfectly OK to say!
This is the exact same argument. It doesn’t work, right? Why would it here? Sure, there may (I doubt it, but I’ll leave the possibility open) be other reasons why it’s OK to say, but throw that argument out.
We used LOTS of words then that are now not ok to use. Growing as individuals and groups is a good thing, being attentive to others is a good thing, understanding that you see no offence to a word where others do and changing that behaviour betters everyone.
Who the hell is getting “disappeared?” Fascists use violence and force to enforce their beliefs. The also appealed to a mythos to support their idiology.
I think 13 is particularly relevant here: “Disdain for intellectuals and the arts not aligned with the fascist narrative.” It is the people saying treating people kindly who are being attacked by Fascists. They tell people that the “woke left is attacking us and making us change” as a means to dismiss things trying to create change to better care for all people.
Sure. I still don’t like it when people tell me how to speak my mind.
Fine. Most people don’t like being told what they’re doing is wrong. Those in favor of slavery and white supremacy get (or got) upset when asked to change as well. That doesn’t make it acceptable.
If I start insulting you or using slurs against you, I’m sure you wouldn’t appreciate it. You are more upset at being told that you may upset others than actually willing to change to not hurt others. You don’t want to be told you’re insulting people because it’s insulting to you. Do you see the issue? If you’re hurt by being told not to hurt other people, maybe it’s your actions that are the issue. Hypocracy isn’t valorant.
OK, I don’t think c/greentext is the proper environment to discuss this.
If you are that worked up about words you must lead a pretty good life.
I think I have used the Internet for too long to get upset about getting slurs hurled at me online. People are much more vile when cloaked by the anonymity of their keyboard. It’s been like that since Usenet and BBSs. That’s human nature. You’re free to not interact.
But trying to police stuff you don’t like just because “is enforcing your beliefs”. Nobody will be harmed by edgy comments under a post about 4chan. Not everyone is out to get you and needs to be canceled.
Yeah you’re not supposed to even say “my son’s reading skills are somewhat retarded but we hope he can catch up to his peers”. Or “Progess on Trump’s border wall has been retarded for various reasons.”
It’s a slur, that’s why. Some slurs are major slurs that are considered offensive even when it’s not referring to someone, and I think this is one of them. They’re often forbidden because of it, and a lot of people find it easier to follow universal rules than to check the rules of each place they post, because the universal rules will keep you in the clear 95% of the time. And even if not, it’s still respectable to not want to use slurs.
And yeah, it did used to be a lot more common. And before that, it was a medical term. That’s the way it goes, we have a word to insult people’s intelligence, doctors deal with patients who have a disorder causing that, they don’t want to use the mean word to refer to the patients, they come up with a new word for it, the word gets out, and then everyone makes it a new word to insult intelligence. Though this one seems to be taking a different track because it hit modern sensibilities, and at the same time I think doctors now know better than to come up with a new word for mental deficiencies.
you know this is the internet and you are allowed to type whatever you want, right? let me show you: “retarded”
“whatever you want”… they wanted to be a respectful person.
“IDGI, this person has the option to be the worst version of themselves. Why dont they choose to do that?!? Also why does noone want to be around me? Could it be that marinating my brains in a writhing compost of clapbacks and dunks is desensitizing me to my own dehumanizing? No. Clearly this is because woke.”
Is saying the word retarded without calling some it disrespectful? Is it now a trigger word? I’m genuinely wondering. Because when we were growing up we used the word EVERYWHERE. It was as common as saying “fricken”
People used to use the n-word all the time, so it must be perfectly OK to say!
This is the exact same argument. It doesn’t work, right? Why would it here? Sure, there may (I doubt it, but I’ll leave the possibility open) be other reasons why it’s OK to say, but throw that argument out.
The n-word did not have any other definitions. Something that is retarded is merely delayed or slowed down usually in the context of some task.
We used LOTS of words then that are now not ok to use. Growing as individuals and groups is a good thing, being attentive to others is a good thing, understanding that you see no offence to a word where others do and changing that behaviour betters everyone.
Nah, speech police is just a disguised form of fascism.
Dude, I don’t think you understand what fascism is about. Telling someone something is wrong isn’t fascism or saying murder is wrong would be fascism.
So the nazis didn’t disappear people who said the wrong thing? And people wouldn’t say the thing out of fear something might happen to them?
How different is that really? Did I use hyperbole? Sure. I still don’t like it when people tell me how to speak my mind.
Who the hell is getting “disappeared?” Fascists use violence and force to enforce their beliefs. The also appealed to a mythos to support their idiology.
https://www.keene.edu/academics/cchgs/resources/presentation-materials/characteristics-and-appeal-of-fascism/download/
I think 13 is particularly relevant here: “Disdain for intellectuals and the arts not aligned with the fascist narrative.” It is the people saying treating people kindly who are being attacked by Fascists. They tell people that the “woke left is attacking us and making us change” as a means to dismiss things trying to create change to better care for all people.
Fine. Most people don’t like being told what they’re doing is wrong. Those in favor of slavery and white supremacy get (or got) upset when asked to change as well. That doesn’t make it acceptable.
If I start insulting you or using slurs against you, I’m sure you wouldn’t appreciate it. You are more upset at being told that you may upset others than actually willing to change to not hurt others. You don’t want to be told you’re insulting people because it’s insulting to you. Do you see the issue? If you’re hurt by being told not to hurt other people, maybe it’s your actions that are the issue. Hypocracy isn’t valorant.
OK, I don’t think c/greentext is the proper environment to discuss this.
If you are that worked up about words you must lead a pretty good life.
I think I have used the Internet for too long to get upset about getting slurs hurled at me online. People are much more vile when cloaked by the anonymity of their keyboard. It’s been like that since Usenet and BBSs. That’s human nature. You’re free to not interact.
But trying to police stuff you don’t like just because “is enforcing your beliefs”. Nobody will be harmed by edgy comments under a post about 4chan. Not everyone is out to get you and needs to be canceled.
Yeah you’re not supposed to even say “my son’s reading skills are somewhat retarded but we hope he can catch up to his peers”. Or “Progess on Trump’s border wall has been retarded for various reasons.”
No kidding
It’s a slur, that’s why. Some slurs are major slurs that are considered offensive even when it’s not referring to someone, and I think this is one of them. They’re often forbidden because of it, and a lot of people find it easier to follow universal rules than to check the rules of each place they post, because the universal rules will keep you in the clear 95% of the time. And even if not, it’s still respectable to not want to use slurs.
And yeah, it did used to be a lot more common. And before that, it was a medical term. That’s the way it goes, we have a word to insult people’s intelligence, doctors deal with patients who have a disorder causing that, they don’t want to use the mean word to refer to the patients, they come up with a new word for it, the word gets out, and then everyone makes it a new word to insult intelligence. Though this one seems to be taking a different track because it hit modern sensibilities, and at the same time I think doctors now know better than to come up with a new word for mental deficiencies.
It’s the euphemism treadmill in action.