• TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
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    3 hours ago

    Renewables cannot provide a reliable base load. Not unless you can have your solar panels in space where it always shines, we figure out tidal power, or you’re lucky in terms of geography and either hydroelectric or geothermal work for you.

    Solar power doesn’t produce energy at night, wind doesn’t always blow. You know the drill.

    You completely sidestepped the entire crux of my comment.

    We need a base load of energy to fill that gap, because batteries currently can’t, and likely won’t be for decades. Here are the options we have available:

    • nuclear power, which produces a waste that while trivial to store far away from people, will be radioactive for hundreds of years.

    • fossil fuels, which cause massive damage not only to the local environment, but to the planet, and cleanup is effectively impossible.

    • we put society on unpredictable energy curfews. At night the population can’t use much energy. When there’s a drop in wind or solar production, we cut people’s energy off. Both political parties must commit wholeheartedly to this in order to make it viable. Our lives would become worse, but we’d not have either of the above problems.

    Of those 3 options, I’d rather go with nuclear. What’s your choice?

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      3 hours ago

      More renewables.

      We’re at the beginnings of having useful levels of storage and can keep building out renewables while we develop storage. At the current rates of adoption, we’ll need true grid storage in about ten years.

      However, note that one option for “grid” storage is a battery in every home. Another is a battery in every vehicle. Neither is the best option but those are options we already know and just need to scale up

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        Ok, you’ve added more solar panels and wind turbines.

        It’s nighttime. There isn’t much wind. An extremely common thing to happen I’m sure you’ll agree.

        There now isn’t enough power, places have constant blackouts, electricity prices skyrocket because demand far outstrips supply.

        Grid storage large enough to replace fossil fuels + nuclear is far, far, far, far, far, far further than 10 years off.

        I’ll ask again:

        • Nuclear

        • Continued fossil fuels for multiple decades

        • regular blackouts, energy rationing

        What do you choose? Saying that you’ll magic up some batteries in a capacity that currently isn’t possible isn’t an answer.