• PugJesus@lemmy.world
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    Oh, good, they’re not a tankie, they’re just a Soviet simp who thinks Anti-Imperialism™ is justification for genocide and ethnic cleansing, and opposes any anti-fascist candidate that’s not 100% in-line with their ideology. Definitely a big practical difference there, glad I was corrected.

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        Oh, yes, support of Russia is advocacy for peace, in the same way that an advocate for surrender to Nazi Germany is an ‘advocate for peace’. But hey, if it’s genocide done by an Anti-Imperialist Power™, it’s actually 100% peaceful killing, right?

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            How many Buchas and how many thousands of children kidnapped until supporting Russia is no longer anti-imperialist?

            Don’t worry - I know you have no limit.

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              I’m not sure ‘might makes right’ is the anti-imperial argument you’re looking for here.

              lmao, yet it’s the argument that all of your comrades resort to with regards to the Ukrainian situation.

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                At least it’s not ‘we’ll give you the means to destroy yourself in service of hurting Russia’ like all of your western buddies like arguing.

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                  “Defending yourself against genocide is actually destroying yourself”

                  Want to remind me how this ISN’T a might makes right argument, the kind of which you supposedly were against just one comment ago?

                  You can’t stay consistent for a single comment. Unbelievable. But anything to simp for fascists, I guess. I’m sorry, ‘Anti-Imperialist Fascists’.

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                I’m just pointing out the argumentative failure.

                I don’t disagree with anything you said, but it’s just not an argument against imperialism. If anything it’s an argument for multi-polarity, but even then I don’t think it’s the kind of multipolarity leftists are looking for.

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      Oh, good, they’re not a lib, they’re just an Israeli simp who thinks Pro-Imperialismtm is justification for genocide and ethnic cleansing, and opposes any anti-fascist that’s protesting against the genocide i’m ok with (and not the genocide I’m not ok with).

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        Here I thought being for the suspension of ALL aid to Israel, not just for the ongoing genocide but for being an apartheid ethnostate, might have implied that I was anti-Israel, but here I learn that I’m an Israeli simp. How fascinating!

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          “I’m in support of all the most progressive and leftist ideals, but they are sadly not practical so anyone pushing for them must be treated as controlled opposition”

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            Yes, because as we all know, pushing for Trump to win a presidential election is DEFINITELY in support of progressive and leftist ideals!

            I apologize for being a Bernie voter, I guess.

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                Pushing for progressive ideals =! Pushing for Trump to win

                I’m pushing for progressive ideals. The difference is, I’m not doing it while saying that it’s okay not to vote for the anti-fascist candidate if you feel really strongly that fascism winning is preferable to Teach The Dems A Lesson™ or Show Your Moral Fortitude™.

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                  I’m not saying it’s OK not to vote, I’m saying expecting people to get on board with democrats when they have 5 months to correct their shit is dumb.

                  Make your decision when the cards have been played

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        Israel was doing bad shit to Palestine for decades. How many times did you so see Pro Palestine posts in mass before, almost never. Sure it’s worse, but if “leftists” cared so much, why did this huge outcry wait till it’s at it’s absolute worst? Seems real convenient it’s around an election where fascist states known for using troll farms have a vested interest in a Biden loss. Especially when the only candidate who has any chance of making a pro-Palestine compromise is in danger of losing. No one believes Trump will compromise at all and Biden is literally brokering a compromise now. What drives the myriad “true leftists” to prove their point now, at the least opportune possible time? Seems like they have ulterior motives and they’re just hiding behind your claims of leftism.

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    Isn’t it weird how “genuine leftists” always seem to have unbounded love for a state capitalist nation which produces hundreds of billionaires? Maybe that’s what the others are shocked about.

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      Isn’t it weird how liberals have unbounded love for a state capitalist nation which produces hundreds of billionares?

      Lol what a weird critique to choose

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        Sorry, which liberals are pretending to be economically left while simping for an openly capitalist nation? I thought you guys hated liberals specifically because they aren’t leftists, suddenly they are leftists and hypocrites about capitalism?

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            Because they understand the mathematics of FPTP voting, a differentiation such that they don’t make the same choices than you, which you deliberately choose to interpret as acting against your ideals.

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              They agree with the mathematics, otherwise they’d be out protesting like everyone else already is

              “OH noooooo…”

              “…Anyway.”

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                  Thank god those other civil rights protests didn’t happen under FPTP, otherwise they’d never have gotten anything done.

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        Tu quoque

        Tu quoque (/tjuːˈkwoʊkwiː/;[1] Latin for ‘you also’) is a discussion technique that intends to discredit the opponent’s argument by attacking the opponent’s own personal behavior and actions as being inconsistent with their argument, so that the opponent is hypocritical. This specious reasoning is a special type of ad hominem attack. The Oxford English Dictionary cites John Cooke’s 1614 stage play The Cittie Gallant as the earliest known use of the term in the English language.[1]

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    Yeah the pro-trans group thinking they are left wing is odd when leftists argue against gender roles and identity but that’s just one issue. I guess when they compare themselves to people that want to kill anyone different they overestimate how far left they are