For those who don’t remember the original of this was an ancient meme:
Edit:
Just how old this meme is: OSX 10.9 mavericks was the first free mac update, it was released in 2013. The meme should be created before that. Iirc Windows 7 was the first win with forced and annoying updates, it was released in 2009. So this meme should be from that era, 11-15 years old.
Edit2:
I found the original post, my calculations were correct, this is from 2011: https://www.stickycomics.com/computer-update/
I use linux and I’m in the Not Again boat. Seems like everytime I update, something goes wrong
Use debian oldstable, usually 1-2 security updates each months, nothing else. If you need a newer app, install it as flatpak, they can’t bork your system.
Stable is already ancient enough, but willingly running oldstable? I hope you’ve got a shovel ready
what are you using?
Arch. Just updated a few days ago, got some java conflict stuff. Jdm jre or some kind of error. Had to read what people online did to fix that.
Edit: lmao why am I being downvoted?
You’re probably being downvoted because you say “Not Again” to updates while using a rolling release distro. Like ordering a daily newspaper, then getting annoyed at getting a new issue every day.
Just because I use rolling doesn’t mean I am mandated to update every minute of my life. There are times when I’m genuinely excited for an update like for example when KDE does something new. Pretty much everything else is just little tweaks and bug fixes that will most likely result in me reading docs and figuring out what went wrong.
Sure, but the common consensus seems to be that you shouldn’t be annoyed at the constant updates when that’s an explicit feature of that system. Maybe that’s just a misreading, but I assume the expected reaction would be “Not now” rather than “Not again”.
(I’m not taking a position, as I’ve never worked with a rolling distro and can’t really comment on either stance, just trying to navigate the confusion here)
My reaction is more of “not now”. Not again might happen when something breaks. So every update is a little gamble for me.
Maybe because the jre thing was an update that required manual intervention, there was an Arch news item about it. You’re expected to read the Arch news before an update when you’re running Arch. This can be automated with
alias update='yay -Pw && pacman -syu'If that’s too much for you, use a different distro.Why can’t it print into as part of the update? Why is it a separate command?
It’s the KISS philosophy. The package manager is for managing packages, not for reading mail
I’ve seen this a few times with various distributions. People always say stuff about checking news files or whatever their distros call them. I have no idea what those are or where to find them. It would seem extremely prudent for the update tool to print relevant information.
Brew does this. (I am not using Brew as an example of a perfect package management tool.) It also has “caveats” that get printed for some packages. It seems much more useful this way.
Printing the entire change log is overkill, but at least breaking changes and such would be extremely useful.
Well yeah, rolling release distros inherently require more fixing because you get all of the software as it is patched with far less testing for conflicts. If you want something you have to fix less get a stable release
Which is kinda why I like waiting a little but that doesn’t really matter because it’s always rolling. Guess I’m just delaying having to fix my system. So I update whenever I’m not busy with my life.
Yeah, I’m just saying with Arch the tweaking is a feature, not a bug. You can get the same UI with something far more plug and play using something like Debian Stable or even Mint if you like Cinnamon. I’m an openSUSE stan myself but thats just because I like to experiment, break things, and then roll my system back.
If you want reliable updates Arch isn’t the best fit IMO.
It can be perfectly reliable for sure, but it’s permitted not to be.
If you really want to update and not worry about it, I would consider Fedora, they test updates and upgrades while also being very close to bleeding edge.
The comments on the original post are… interesting…
DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS
Just kidding. I suck cocks too! :D
I thought I had a virus when I got a pop-up about Ubuntu pro. I thought all linux was free and there’s no way I’d be getting ass for features I don’t have
no way I’d be getting ass for features I don’t have
Not with that attitude
Ubuntu pro is completely free for non-commercial users tho
(probably the most downvoted post i’ve made yet on lemmy 😂)
What are the distros that would align with these categories?
Cool, more free stuff:
Not again!
Ooh, only Ubuntu pro:
- Ubuntu
I don’t think the first two are distro specific, more a question of mindset. Unless there are distros that force update your system like some other OSs, which could cause the second picture to happen more often.
On fedora atomic all updates are automatic. I don’t even see that they happen. They just happen in the background. I love it.
Neat! I was just thinking, if it starts updating the kernel as you turn it off, you’d have to wait a minute for it to finish. M$ style. Has that never happened?
No. That’s not how it works. It installs a new image alongside the current one and once you boot again it simply boots into the new image. Never ever wait for an update again.
Oh right, atomic distros work differently, didn’t think about that! That is convenient!
Very convenient because if something happens where the update breaks something, you can just boot the previous image.
Does it give you a choice at startup, similar to the Grub menu, or do you have to do something to bring the option up?
The first could be any decent distro like Debian, Fedora, Mint.
The second would probably be rolling release because of the amount of packages lmao.
Ubuntu pro is free to enable btw
unless you’re using ub server for commercial purposes, then you’re breaking the agreementWhat? How?
sudo pacman -SyuCool, more free stuff! Fresh as a morning breeze.Running rm -rf / afterwards because of minimalism
Tee hee
When will AI pick this up as advice?
Make all the mistakes you want to. There’s a lesson under every leaf in this world.
I’m an annoyed fedora user and it seems every day there’s an update that requires reboot to install. I want the latest patches to keep the system secure, but this is annoying, and I use 2 laptops.
sudo dnf up
Works for me.
While that works, it sometimes might break things: https://fedoramagazine.org/offline-updates-and-fedora-35/
Crashes are just the system telling me to restart. As god intended.
Except if you ran the update from within a graphical session and your session crashed, as this will kill DNF, making the update incomplete and potentially corrupting files. I recommend you either:
- use the graphical updaters
- run dnf from a TTY
- or use some of the atomic spins, having atomic updates on btrfs subvolumes
Switched to nix in the meantime.
What does Ubuntu Pro get you besides extended support after the normal OS EOL?
Extended compliance support. Enterprise level needs require a lot of paperwork just to make sure you are in legal compliance with all rules and regulations. The paperwork alone can be a very heavy costly burden on the IT department.
Any distro wanting to be serious in the enterprise space needs to offer support for that. And businesses will pay for it because it’s cheaper than having a large staff only dedicated to it. It’s part of how Ubuntu can offer you the free stuff and remain a top used distro for the masses. RedHat does the same. RedHat just rebrands the free stuff as Fedora. At least Ubuntu doesn’t hide behind a different brand name when offering sercives they charge for.
…Debian. The free stuff is called Debian.
It’s also called ‘the old free stuff’. If free matters that much, you could run Slack or better yet LFS.
Ubuntu is literally Debian with an upstream Kernel. Ubuntu is charging for Debian’s labor.
$ nixos-rebuild switch --use-remote-sudo --flake ~/dotfiles#desktop
😎😎😎
Hm, I want to pull the trigger on nixos
I’d be willing to help you get started.
You mean a free Ubuntu pro account for personal use?
I think it looks like Microsoft is requesting a ms account to use/install Windows, I think it’s weird to request registration for non-commercial users
Requesting? Last I heard they had patched all methods of not creating an account barring using the command line, for windows users that’s pretty forceful
happy cake day
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If you’re not paying for the product, then you’re the product.
(I don’t believe the above quote to be absolutely true, but I’m not sure what motivation Canonical could have to lock some features of the OS behind a free account except $$$.)
If you’re not paying for the support, then you are the support.
Yeah, but Canonical locks security patches behind payment or signup, not just support.
you are the security patch.
sudo apt uninstall
No, random Internet forum users and whoever is lurking in IRC/Matrix are the support. Kind of like that 2 by 4 in my basement is supporting the entirety of my house’s main beam.
Canonical already maintains security patches for paying customers so they aren’t actually doing any extra work, but putting it behind a subscription gives them an option to start charging more for desktops, gives clear cost for server use, and maybe is marketing for “look at the premium work we do”.
Seems really dodgy to me making your business model holding security features hostage for either money or sign-ups, honestly.
Kindof like charging people for vaccines against deadly diseases or something.
But then again, my craw may be extra susceptible to sticking when it comes to such things.
b-but that requires signing up. too much effort 😅
