You’re probably being downvoted because you say “Not Again” to updates while using a rolling release distro. Like ordering a daily newspaper, then getting annoyed at getting a new issue every day.
Just because I use rolling doesn’t mean I am mandated to update every minute of my life. There are times when I’m genuinely excited for an update like for example when KDE does something new. Pretty much everything else is just little tweaks and bug fixes that will most likely result in me reading docs and figuring out what went wrong.
Sure, but the common consensus seems to be that you shouldn’t be annoyed at the constant updates when that’s an explicit feature of that system. Maybe that’s just a misreading, but I assume the expected reaction would be “Not now” rather than “Not again”.
(I’m not taking a position, as I’ve never worked with a rolling distro and can’t really comment on either stance, just trying to navigate the confusion here)
Maybe because the jre thing was an update that required manual intervention, there was an Arch news item about it. You’re expected to read the Arch news before an update when you’re running Arch. This can be automated with alias update='yay -Pw && pacman -syu' If that’s too much for you, use a different distro.
I’ve seen this a few times with various distributions. People always say stuff about checking news files or whatever their distros call them. I have no idea what those are or where to find them. It would seem extremely prudent for the update tool to print relevant information.
Brew does this. (I am not using Brew as an example of a perfect package management tool.) It also has “caveats” that get printed for some packages. It seems much more useful this way.
Printing the entire change log is overkill, but at least breaking changes and such would be extremely useful.
Unironically love gentoo for this as portage will let you know there is news to read and the command to read it. For changes the news is great and tells you step by step what to do
Well yeah, rolling release distros inherently require more fixing because you get all of the software as it is patched with far less testing for conflicts. If you want something you have to fix less get a stable release
Which is kinda why I like waiting a little but that doesn’t really matter because it’s always rolling. Guess I’m just delaying having to fix my system. So I update whenever I’m not busy with my life.
Yeah, I’m just saying with Arch the tweaking is a feature, not a bug. You can get the same UI with something far more plug and play using something like Debian Stable or even Mint if you like Cinnamon. I’m an openSUSE stan myself but thats just because I like to experiment, break things, and then roll my system back.
If you want reliable updates Arch isn’t the best fit IMO.
It can be perfectly reliable for sure, but it’s permitted not to be.
If you really want to update and not worry about it, I would consider Fedora, they test updates and upgrades while also being very close to bleeding edge.
what are you using?
Arch. Just updated a few days ago, got some java conflict stuff. Jdm jre or some kind of error. Had to read what people online did to fix that.
Edit: lmao why am I being downvoted?
You’re probably being downvoted because you say “Not Again” to updates while using a rolling release distro. Like ordering a daily newspaper, then getting annoyed at getting a new issue every day.
Just because I use rolling doesn’t mean I am mandated to update every minute of my life. There are times when I’m genuinely excited for an update like for example when KDE does something new. Pretty much everything else is just little tweaks and bug fixes that will most likely result in me reading docs and figuring out what went wrong.
Sure, but the common consensus seems to be that you shouldn’t be annoyed at the constant updates when that’s an explicit feature of that system. Maybe that’s just a misreading, but I assume the expected reaction would be “Not now” rather than “Not again”.
(I’m not taking a position, as I’ve never worked with a rolling distro and can’t really comment on either stance, just trying to navigate the confusion here)
My reaction is more of “not now”. Not again might happen when something breaks. So every update is a little gamble for me.
Fair enough, I guess that nuance got lost then
Maybe because the jre thing was an update that required manual intervention, there was an Arch news item about it. You’re expected to read the Arch news before an update when you’re running Arch. This can be automated with
alias update='yay -Pw && pacman -syu'If that’s too much for you, use a different distro.Why can’t it print into as part of the update? Why is it a separate command?
It’s the KISS philosophy. The package manager is for managing packages, not for reading mail
I’ve seen this a few times with various distributions. People always say stuff about checking news files or whatever their distros call them. I have no idea what those are or where to find them. It would seem extremely prudent for the update tool to print relevant information.
Brew does this. (I am not using Brew as an example of a perfect package management tool.) It also has “caveats” that get printed for some packages. It seems much more useful this way.
Printing the entire change log is overkill, but at least breaking changes and such would be extremely useful.
Unironically love gentoo for this as portage will let you know there is news to read and the command to read it. For changes the news is great and tells you step by step what to do
Well yeah, rolling release distros inherently require more fixing because you get all of the software as it is patched with far less testing for conflicts. If you want something you have to fix less get a stable release
Which is kinda why I like waiting a little but that doesn’t really matter because it’s always rolling. Guess I’m just delaying having to fix my system. So I update whenever I’m not busy with my life.
Yeah, I’m just saying with Arch the tweaking is a feature, not a bug. You can get the same UI with something far more plug and play using something like Debian Stable or even Mint if you like Cinnamon. I’m an openSUSE stan myself but thats just because I like to experiment, break things, and then roll my system back.
If you want reliable updates Arch isn’t the best fit IMO.
It can be perfectly reliable for sure, but it’s permitted not to be.
If you really want to update and not worry about it, I would consider Fedora, they test updates and upgrades while also being very close to bleeding edge.