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    4 days ago

    At no point in the past week have I supported genocide, and defending part of an argument is not defending the whole. Nor do I expect most to read it that way in such a jocular setting.

    I don’t think you’re a terrible person either.

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      4 days ago

      Yes you have, and yes it is in the context of what you’re defending.

      it’s good that you have faith in people to misunderstand what you’ve written for what you have come to assert you mean.

      “…in such a jocular setting.”

      The jocular context of punitive global genocide based on reasoning you and other commenters find “actually” sound.

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        I mean, supported in the personal belief sense. I can assure you that it was never intended, even if that was accidentally conveyed.

        Natural language is inherently imprecise. It only works because there’s shared background to interpret it on.

        Dark humour is a thing, you’ll see it everywhere on the internet - I’m sure you know that. This is no exception.

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          4 days ago

          there is not much of a joke here.

          cthulhu decides to commit indiscriminate genocide because of humanity’s violent acts.

          a human agrees.

          that is the comic.

          because cynicism is hip and internet comments are supposed to be edgy rather than thoughtful, people are defending genocide without understanding what they are agreeing with, as you have.

          most people don’t realize what they’re doing, but you and the other commenters are nodding along with the non-joke that everybody should be killed because humanity has problems.

          that’s not a joke, that’s irresponsible defeatist anxiety.

          I prefer to rage against the dying of the light.

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            4 days ago

            The joke is that Cthulhu is usually unreasonable (at least by human standards), but is able to logically explain himself to the satisfaction of the human shown. This is unexpected.

            I’ll leave you with this: cynicism is hip, but it’s exactly as irrational to start with optimism. You’ve got to start with what is, and what ought to be and work from there.

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              that’s not the joke.

              “cynicism is hip, but it’s exactly as irrational to start with optimism.”

              being cynical doesn’t help anyone or anything. being optimistic does help things.

              “You’ve got to start with what is, and what ought to be and work from there.”

              this is what I do.

              you and the others defending “reasonable” genocide is not working toward what “ought to be”, unless you believe that what “ought to be” is giving up on life or some drastic action like global genocide (which is also giving up)

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                Existential comics is a humour series. I disagree, it’s a joke.

                If that’s what you do, good for you. For every few dark jokes there’s someone posting “orphan crushing machine” style glurg. Optimism in the face of horrors or no hope is just unhealthy denial.

                I was not trying to fix the world with that post, I agree. Sometimes I do write something that helps someone, though. IRL I do a bunch of volunteer work.

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                  The comic is supposed to be a joke, your attempted misdirect that the joke is about cthulhu’s reasoning abilities is incorrect and doesn’t track.

                  the comic wants to make a joke about the world being so bad that even a human can be convinced that all the humans should be killed by a world killing entity.

                  “Optimism in the face of horrors or no hope is just unhealthy denial”

                  absolutely incorrect.

                  this statement is a symptom of your poisoned worldview that allows you and the others to unironically defend the reasoning for global genocide.

                  optimism in the face of horrors is not “denial”, it springs from a more complete understanding of the world that you can change things.

                  I know that I can change things for the better because I change things for the better, whether it’s difficult or not.

                  people who assume things can’t change are the reason things don’t change.

                  Guess you need to volunteer more.

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                    No, I assure you, there’s plenty of people that think they have all the solutions, and given the chance would turn everything upside-down on their snipe hunt. For every good idea there’s someone who thinks we just need a purge day, or a lot of tiny bunkers. The “good people that do nothing” are shit too, I guess.

                    Do you honestly think you can fix everything yourself? I hope not; stepping off the hard-edged debate thing a bit, I had a really rough time when I found out that’s not real life.