• rottingleaf@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    we are a new nation

    Not really.

    My point was that liberalism functions pretty similarly to monarchy or and kind of tyranny when those conditions about responsibility are not met.

    Not a new idea too, digging through treasure troves of antique literature one can find it said many times. Not just equality, but fullness of responsibility. You can lay down the responsibility for your existence and actions.

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      3 days ago

      Not really.

      i’m not sure how you’re defining this. But if we’re going by a governmental definition, the modern chinese government would be quite a bit newer, but the chinese people, and previous governments have existed LONG before. The US as a nation, and as a government is considerably newer than basically every existing nation, even more so when considering scale.

      My point was that liberalism functions pretty similarly to monarchy or and kind of tyranny when those conditions about responsibility are not met.

      i think i’m following, but i don’t see how this is explicitly unique to something like liberalism. I think this is an objective challenge for basically all forms of government, including tyrannical ones.

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        3 days ago

        Yes, that’s exactly my point. Every valuable political ideology works at keeping some important dimension in the minds of the masses. There’s none as far as I can see in that part about responsibility. That is, it was existent in fringe things I’ve read about religion and deontology in my childhood\teens, in the context of science and philosophy and ethics, but not generally popular.

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          22 hours ago

          interesting, that’s definitely a concern as far as politics go, and a primary reason i tend be political nihilist, i guess i’ve just never thought about it in that particular manner before lol.