• PostingInPublic@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    I think the most important topic right now is confronting the climate change and the problems it is going to cause, on every level local, regional, national and international. This looming crisis is going to affect everything and everyone on an existential level, and requires every of these government levels, even every individual, to fucking work and to fucking stand together.

    And now my compatriots elect AfD.

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      Climate change is literally on position 4 out of 5 for voters. People are absolute fucking morons and at this point I think we should just go extinct. This is ridiculous.

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        If you can’t afford your bills you don’t care about climate change.

        Edit: I know, that climate change will only worsen your financial situation, but a lot of people don’t see the long term effects on them and the economy.

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      5 months ago

      Yes but have you considered that brown people are to blame for all these things? And that they are also fictional lies by The Left ™ to scare you away from the horrible brown people?

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        Also, it’s clearly way more important that we let Chinese Intelligence Operations in broad daylight tell our youths to vote for nazis to destabilize the regions rather than peacefully coexist and solve our problems. After all, how else will we get communism if not that? /s

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          The whole “Fascism is coming from china!” thing is a conspiracy theory though, isn’t it? Private media in the west are owned by western private media, not by Chinese psyops, and the funding that right wing influencers get in social media isn’t from China either. The problem doesn’t come from outside, it’s literally inside.

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            China benefits from destabilizing the west (and India). Their online campaigns on various social media networks tend to promote misinformation, which correlates highly with conservative and far-right ideologies. TikTok in particular served as a pipeline into far right radicalization.

            I’m not denying there is a problem within, and I’m not claiming China only pushes far right, but to claim that Chinese operations aren’t noticeably impacting western politics in the most negative ways possible is just pure ignorance.

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              TikTok is originally Chinese, but most other social media is from the US. Would you argue that the rise of far-right content in YouTube, Facebook or Instagram is also a consequence of the Chinese government?

              China’s policy hasn’t been to destabilize Europe, it’s been to get closer commercially, for example with the Belt and Road initiative. Unless you bring further evidence than “TikTok is Chinese” (with it being the only Chinese social media we use), or “China benefits from it”, it’s nothing but speculation, which is absolutely unnecessary since the very far-right content creators from Europe and the US are from those countries and also funded by western organizations such as the Atlas Foundation.

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                I can’t say exactly the scope of Chinese influence on YT or FB/IG, but we know they’re 100% present. In fact, some time ago, CCP propaganda was flooding YT Shorts with machine generated content. We also know that FB have in the past been used for largescale campaigns to influence elections, they were fined 5 Billion USD by the FTC over the Cambridge Analytica scandal alone and pay similar fines frequently in Europe.

                Yes, these sorts of operations are pretty commonly carried out by all of the world powers, but that’s the highest form of whataboutism. It’s a problem now that negatively affects us, it’s not hypocritical to want to solve the problem. And China is #1 most problematic, in part because it’s a top world power and a dictatorship and also because of the scale and frequency of their attacks on democracy.

                China has been closing off it’s commercial sector, recently. It plans to import less to allow their local corporations to dominate markets.

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                  I can’t say exactly the scope of Chinese influence on YT or FB/IG

                  We also know that FB have in the past been used for largescale campaigns to influence elections, they were fined 5 Billion USD by the FTC over the Cambridge Analytica scandal alone and pay similar fines frequently in Europe.

                  And China is #1 most problematic, […] also because of the scale and frequency of their attacks on democracy.

                  Thank you for proving exactly my point that you’re talking out of your ass, and you’re capable of contradicting yourself in one comment

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    5 months ago

    Everyone complaining about the right wing people should take another look at the +40 to 102 non aligned seats.

    Those votes went to parties exploring interesting new directions instead of 1) evil or 2) boring old stuff.

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      afaik German AFD is now part of non aligned. That’s 16 of those +40 seats.

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        That’s the thing, you think that because they keep saying they like their country more than the others, a foreign leader who hates and want harms to their country would be their enemy.

        The truth is (1) they get a boner for the authoritarian way Putin leads Russia and (2) Putin treats them well because he knows that strengthening those parties weaken the country they’re in.

        Also Putin hates EU, and they hate EU. The difference is that Putin hates EU because he knows that European countries are stronger together.

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      5 months ago

      While I am all for laughing at the 'Muricans for making themselves out to be the prime democratic nation on the planet while having the choice between a conservative and an ultra-conservative party only, this time, we cannot indulge in this kind of thing to feel superior. We need to make sure we actually stay superior now, which… isn’t a given anymore.

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        5 months ago

        ‘Haha you guys only have the choice between conservative and far-right’

        only elects conservatives and far-right

        -us europeans rn

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    5 months ago

    I’m an American, can somebody explain what this means? It looks less dysfunctional, but I’m guessing it’s just differently dysfunctional.

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      The 8 groups of colors you see on the graph are actually dozens and dozens of parties who group themselves into more compact coalitions depending on their broad ideology. This is actually no issue to get shit done and pass plenty of legislation.

      What we actually don’t like is that the far right groups (Conservatives and Reformists, and Identity and Democracy, and a third secret option) are growing even a little bit more, which increases the possibility of them actually passing the laws they want.

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            5 months ago

            What makes one a European?

            I think we can be either more or less European; perhaps I should say that there may be more or fewer reasons for being recognized as such by others.

            1. Jus sanguinis (right of blood)
            2. Jus soli (right of soil)
            3. Christian culture (I consider myself a cultural christian, although I am an atheist)

            And why should Europe be only for Europeans?

            I don’t oppose legal immigration on a small scale. However, currently there are too many immigrants “refugees” . We need to say stop. Stop illegal immigration, stop Islam, stop criminals. And what are we currently doing? We are legalising illegal immigrants; What the heck?

            https://youtu.be/4oSHUjHziSM?t=171