If you complete all assigned tasks on time and don’t inhibit anyone else’s schedule, then who gives a shit?
If it’s shift work and someone is waiting for you to arrive so they can start their work, or worse, end their shift and go home, then yeah it’s a huge dick move.
I’m with the zoomers on this one, honestly. If the workload is independent then there is no reason to demand what time the person gets started on that work load if it’s going to take the same amount of time. Yes, there are jobs where its time sensitive or assisting customers so obviously you need to be in place by a certain time, but that is not universal.
And it cuts both ways, if you consider it rude for a person to not show up by a mandated, arbitrary time, it’s equally rude to mandate a meeting or other function a person has to show up to that has nothing do with their job. I’ve been in the workforce nearly 20 years now, and frankly the number of meetings, events or functions I’ve been expected to go to that served no purpose other than to waste my damn time is way too high. The meeting could have been an email, the training might as well have been a check box, and if the party/event was so damn important why wasn’t I paid to attend?
TL;DR unless a person being late directly affects another person, then who cares? I’ll start caring about what a corporation thinks is rude when said corporations start giving a damn about my time and compensating properly for wasting it.
And it cuts both ways, if you consider it rude for a person to not show up by a mandated, arbitrary time, it’s equally rude to mandate a meeting or other function a person has to show up to that has nothing do with their job. I’ve been in the workforce nearly 20 years now, and frankly the number of meetings, events or functions I’ve been expected to go to that served no purpose other than to waste my damn time is way too high. The meeting could have been an email, the training might as well have been a check box, and if the party/event was so damn important why wasn’t I paid to attend?
Nah. Don’t be so uptight. The 4 emails that I received during off hours will still be there if the insane amount of construction they keep starting but not finishing in my city causes me to be 10 mins late that morning.
I agree. We will be the first to call out employers who want you to arrive early to load up systems to be ready to take calls at start time. I see this as the same.
I want to get paid for the time I give, nothing more and nothing less.
That’s unambitious. I want to be paid for the value my work creates. Time is a finite resource. Trading it for (in all likelihood not enough) money so other people can get rich is a sucker move.
That’s not what you sign up for, ever except maybe c suite negotiations where you get bonuses based on performance.
A job is not a trade of value. It is literally paying you for your time since most jobs are unskilled manual labor you can train on the job.
Downvote if you will but it is just rude to show up late regardless of your performance or the situation. Period.
Really depends on the job.
If you complete all assigned tasks on time and don’t inhibit anyone else’s schedule, then who gives a shit?
If it’s shift work and someone is waiting for you to arrive so they can start their work, or worse, end their shift and go home, then yeah it’s a huge dick move.
I mean yes in practise and if you put it that way of course.
I’m just saying that as a general rule you should be on time.
I’m with the zoomers on this one, honestly. If the workload is independent then there is no reason to demand what time the person gets started on that work load if it’s going to take the same amount of time. Yes, there are jobs where its time sensitive or assisting customers so obviously you need to be in place by a certain time, but that is not universal.
And it cuts both ways, if you consider it rude for a person to not show up by a mandated, arbitrary time, it’s equally rude to mandate a meeting or other function a person has to show up to that has nothing do with their job. I’ve been in the workforce nearly 20 years now, and frankly the number of meetings, events or functions I’ve been expected to go to that served no purpose other than to waste my damn time is way too high. The meeting could have been an email, the training might as well have been a check box, and if the party/event was so damn important why wasn’t I paid to attend?
TL;DR unless a person being late directly affects another person, then who cares? I’ll start caring about what a corporation thinks is rude when said corporations start giving a damn about my time and compensating properly for wasting it.
Yes. Both of these things can be true…
Nah. Don’t be so uptight. The 4 emails that I received during off hours will still be there if the insane amount of construction they keep starting but not finishing in my city causes me to be 10 mins late that morning.
It’s a job. Imagine having literally any respect for it.
I agree. We will be the first to call out employers who want you to arrive early to load up systems to be ready to take calls at start time. I see this as the same.
I want to get paid for the time I give, nothing more and nothing less.
That’s unambitious. I want to be paid for the value my work creates. Time is a finite resource. Trading it for (in all likelihood not enough) money so other people can get rich is a sucker move.
That’s not what you sign up for, ever except maybe c suite negotiations where you get bonuses based on performance. A job is not a trade of value. It is literally paying you for your time since most jobs are unskilled manual labor you can train on the job.
Yes that is how it is, I was saying how it should be
I want to be paid for getting the job done, not for being a body in a seat for a specific number of hours regardless of how much work there is to do.
Sometimes the job is being available, being a body in a seat.
And often it is not, but still treated that way by managers.
Nah, ten minutes don’t matter.