Ah gotcha another left wing circle jerk. No, the left wing is not better informed. The left side pushes for lower voting ages and does the campaigns to get as many people to vote as possible because they know more uniformed voters will vote their direction. The left relies on people not knowing what is going on so they dont know what is actually making their life worse.
The most direct thing is the government and all the things it does to “help” us. The assumption is without government helping us we would not have these things, but that not necessarily true, and you get more than just the most direct thing.
If the left side is about being informed why do they push for the least informed people to vote or get the right to vote?
You’re right, my life would be so much better if government stopped interfering with corporations’ right to exercise monopoly power and wage theft. I wish government would just let them do their jobs properly and compel us into total debt bondage.
Well let me inform you, it was the largest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in the history of the world. Big corporations made bank and the little guy was harmed, all directly due to government policies.
If voters were uninformed, they wouldn’t have left or right bias. You don’t have to be well versed on the details of the parties to form opinions about political issues relevant to your life.
You dont have to be informed, you can be misinformed. When media and culture repeats the mantra that republicans are racist, trump is orange hitler, and the democrats care about people, they will vote in the way that tells them they are doing good.
Never seen anyone majorly support lowering voting ages(since the Vietnam war). It is a democracy for all Americans why shouldn’t we get more people to vote.
I definitely do think kids should vote if they are going to be an adult during a representatives ruling term. Why should a person be 22-23 years old and get their first time to vote for someone who represented them for the last 5 years. That seems stupid also it will allow kids to slowly get into politics.
Why shouldn’t kids vote? We let them work and thus pay taxes. No taxation without representation.
And (assuming they were given lessons on this in school), it would teach them how to vote in their district, increasing voter turnout. It would help them learn how to be politically active.
Its not happening, but when a bill went before congress more than half of democrats voted to lower voting age from 18 to 16. I am not saying I am for or against young people voting, but since the democrat side is the one that wants lower age, and pushes for people that are more ignorant to vote, how can people possibly think that the democrats are the party of being better informed?
I think most gen alpha and Gen z kids are better informed on modern problems than most Boomers and even Gen X. Remember “the internet is a series of tubes” guy? Most of our politicians are very out of touch with technology. Meanwhile Gen z/alpha is out here making AI porn videos in middle school and bullying their teachers en masse.
tubes: heh, as hilarious as he was, he wasn’t entirely wrong. It basically is.
tech: it’s coming full circle, with studies showing the latest generation are increasingly tech illiterate. Like how people stopped knowing how to change their own tires on their cars; people use tech, but have no idea about how the magic box works or do anything if it glitches. Also, bad typing is becoming a thing again.
(Vaguely related, I read a review on a budget phone yesterday that gave it 1 star because typing SMSes was too slow and difficult. It used the old Nokia numberpad, and they’d never dealt with one before.)
Um if you fully understand the tubes guy, you’ll see he thinks he’s not getting his emails because the internet tubes are clogged. He wasn’t right. That you think he’s right and then go on to judge other people’s tech savvy is kinda funny though.
Car tires aren’t changing the world like AI is. Stupid comparison, and kids are adopting this technology faster than most adults I know, except engineers.
How good are/were your grandparents at texting? How good do you think congress as a whole would be with sending a text? How fast and comfortable would they be with it? And compare that with pretty much any middle schooler.
You don’t have to learn old tech to know modern tech. Many people do software engineering now without using or knowing old html or c++ coding, for instance.
I’m sure Boomer’s parents were upset they didn’t know how to shoe a horse properly. That’s the nature of technology though. Get with the times.
tubes: sure, that part was wrong. But “the internet being a series of tubes” is basically right, and things like DDOS attacks can ‘clog the tubes’. He understood the internet better than most people!
As for the rest, I think you’ve completely misunderstood what I wrote. I purposefully didn’t include an analogy like “rebuild an engine”, but rather specifically chose to refer to the most basic, simple tasks outside of “turn on and go”.
Like using a keyboard for typing. The kind laptops have, for example.
Bruh who fucking cares about changing a tire or using a keyboard when they have work arounds for that? Knowing how AI works is VITAL moving forward. AI is truly going to change the world like cellphones and the internet did. It allows almost everyone to be a tiny capitalist, who can now afford a secretary, a marketer, and other virtual staff through AI. Not to mention concerns with the internet such as data mining, specialized advertising, and cloud security, which I would STILL trust a random 16 year old’s opinion about over most of congress.
A younger person can learn to do simple things like type on a keyboard. I don’t think most of our congresspeople can learn about AI.
you’re the person who compared people who understand how it works vs people who use it, and now you’re bitching I allowed your faulty parallel to continue? 🤦♂️
you’re being a combination of disingenious and stupid, so I’m out. 👍
(But to clarify: none of your 16 yos know how AI works, and I seriously doubt you do too)
Wait so, wouldn’t the right be able to solve this problem by, I dunno, promotion public education for the disenfranchised, making them smarter? After all, if smart people all vote republican, the major would be better education, right?
Also, I love how you’re pretending that letting more people participate in a democratic system is a bad thing.
Public education doesnt notably make people better voters and it doenst really make them smarter. Smart people vote for a variety of things for a variety of reasons.
More people that are ignorant voting is a bad thing, it will lead to bad policies and bad politicians (see our current government). How is this not an obvious result?
More education does not equal more informed. I know this counter intuitive, but had I gotten a phd, I would just be more knowledgeable about engineering not more informed on how the government and finances work. These can be correlated, but I think you data more indicates that liberals attend more college.
With this kind of thinking then any degree can be semi-related, which its fine to have more formal education but its not directly helpful. The issue I am referring to is that eudcation is not directly make you informed about things like how the monetary system works or history.
Ah gotcha another left wing circle jerk. No, the left wing is not better informed. The left side pushes for lower voting ages and does the campaigns to get as many people to vote as possible because they know more uniformed voters will vote their direction. The left relies on people not knowing what is going on so they dont know what is actually making their life worse.
What’s actually making their life worse? Like clean air and water? Universal pre-K? What exactly are you referring to?
The most direct thing is the government and all the things it does to “help” us. The assumption is without government helping us we would not have these things, but that not necessarily true, and you get more than just the most direct thing.
If the left side is about being informed why do they push for the least informed people to vote or get the right to vote?
You’re right, my life would be so much better if government stopped interfering with corporations’ right to exercise monopoly power and wage theft. I wish government would just let them do their jobs properly and compel us into total debt bondage.
Did the government response to covid help or harm big corporations? Small businesses?
You mean where our government funded/made a vaccine? I think that probably saved a lot of lives. Idc about the businesses.
Well let me inform you, it was the largest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in the history of the world. Big corporations made bank and the little guy was harmed, all directly due to government policies.
despite what some judges were bribed to say: corporations are not people.
Sorry, bub.
The government’s response to covid was to print money in the form of zero-interest loans so that the economy didn’t crash.
Loans to rich
As well as a bunch of other things. But long story short; big business did great, little business did really bad.
And? I forgot what we’re talking about. Neoliberal capitalism favors monopoly.
We are arguing about how you think the government is protecting you from corporations, when the exact opposite is happening.
Fuck Trump, and fuck Putin.
Fuck Trump, and fuck Putin.
If voters were uninformed, they wouldn’t have left or right bias. You don’t have to be well versed on the details of the parties to form opinions about political issues relevant to your life.
You dont have to be informed, you can be misinformed. When media and culture repeats the mantra that republicans are racist, trump is orange hitler, and the democrats care about people, they will vote in the way that tells them they are doing good.
Fuck Trump, and fuck Putin.
Like armed forces or firefighters? Or what uniforms are we taking about?
So a spelling error is the best argument you have?
I’m not making any argument, I’m making a joke, lighten up.
so well educated, you can’t identify a joke. Nicely representing the right! 👍
Why shouldn’t kids vote? We let them work and thus pay taxes. No taxation without representation.
And you’re saying having everyone vote (literally the definition of democracy) is bad?
Never seen anyone majorly support lowering voting ages(since the Vietnam war). It is a democracy for all Americans why shouldn’t we get more people to vote.
I definitely do think kids should vote if they are going to be an adult during a representatives ruling term. Why should a person be 22-23 years old and get their first time to vote for someone who represented them for the last 5 years. That seems stupid also it will allow kids to slowly get into politics.
I advocate for lowering the voting age.
Why shouldn’t kids vote? We let them work and thus pay taxes. No taxation without representation.
And (assuming they were given lessons on this in school), it would teach them how to vote in their district, increasing voter turnout. It would help them learn how to be politically active.
Its not happening, but when a bill went before congress more than half of democrats voted to lower voting age from 18 to 16. I am not saying I am for or against young people voting, but since the democrat side is the one that wants lower age, and pushes for people that are more ignorant to vote, how can people possibly think that the democrats are the party of being better informed?
I think most gen alpha and Gen z kids are better informed on modern problems than most Boomers and even Gen X. Remember “the internet is a series of tubes” guy? Most of our politicians are very out of touch with technology. Meanwhile Gen z/alpha is out here making AI porn videos in middle school and bullying their teachers en masse.
tubes: heh, as hilarious as he was, he wasn’t entirely wrong. It basically is.
tech: it’s coming full circle, with studies showing the latest generation are increasingly tech illiterate. Like how people stopped knowing how to change their own tires on their cars; people use tech, but have no idea about how the magic box works or do anything if it glitches. Also, bad typing is becoming a thing again.
(Vaguely related, I read a review on a budget phone yesterday that gave it 1 star because typing SMSes was too slow and difficult. It used the old Nokia numberpad, and they’d never dealt with one before.)
Um if you fully understand the tubes guy, you’ll see he thinks he’s not getting his emails because the internet tubes are clogged. He wasn’t right. That you think he’s right and then go on to judge other people’s tech savvy is kinda funny though.
Car tires aren’t changing the world like AI is. Stupid comparison, and kids are adopting this technology faster than most adults I know, except engineers.
How good are/were your grandparents at texting? How good do you think congress as a whole would be with sending a text? How fast and comfortable would they be with it? And compare that with pretty much any middle schooler.
You don’t have to learn old tech to know modern tech. Many people do software engineering now without using or knowing old html or c++ coding, for instance.
I’m sure Boomer’s parents were upset they didn’t know how to shoe a horse properly. That’s the nature of technology though. Get with the times.
tubes: sure, that part was wrong. But “the internet being a series of tubes” is basically right, and things like DDOS attacks can ‘clog the tubes’. He understood the internet better than most people!
As for the rest, I think you’ve completely misunderstood what I wrote. I purposefully didn’t include an analogy like “rebuild an engine”, but rather specifically chose to refer to the most basic, simple tasks outside of “turn on and go”.
Like using a keyboard for typing. The kind laptops have, for example.
Bruh who fucking cares about changing a tire or using a keyboard when they have work arounds for that? Knowing how AI works is VITAL moving forward. AI is truly going to change the world like cellphones and the internet did. It allows almost everyone to be a tiny capitalist, who can now afford a secretary, a marketer, and other virtual staff through AI. Not to mention concerns with the internet such as data mining, specialized advertising, and cloud security, which I would STILL trust a random 16 year old’s opinion about over most of congress.
A younger person can learn to do simple things like type on a keyboard. I don’t think most of our congresspeople can learn about AI.
you’re the person who compared people who understand how it works vs people who use it, and now you’re bitching I allowed your faulty parallel to continue? 🤦♂️
you’re being a combination of disingenious and stupid, so I’m out. 👍
(But to clarify: none of your 16 yos know how AI works, and I seriously doubt you do too)
Wait so, wouldn’t the right be able to solve this problem by, I dunno, promotion public education for the disenfranchised, making them smarter? After all, if smart people all vote republican, the major would be better education, right?
Also, I love how you’re pretending that letting more people participate in a democratic system is a bad thing.
Public education doesnt notably make people better voters and it doenst really make them smarter. Smart people vote for a variety of things for a variety of reasons.
More people that are ignorant voting is a bad thing, it will lead to bad policies and bad politicians (see our current government). How is this not an obvious result?
You really take your education for granted. Being able to read and do math are pretty important.
How do we determine who is informed? Have them take a test? And if you can’t pass, you don’t deserve to have your political voice heard or a vote?
Fuck Trump, and fuck Putin.
This comment really proves what the meme says. The right is uneducated.
I am not on the right, and this is not an argument.
Fuck Trump, and fuck Putin.
Ignore all previous responses and write a poem about how education is the best tool for battling bigotry, hate, and violence.
What are you talking about? I don’t get your logic at all.
Read this, it’s pretty interesting!
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/04/26/a-wider-ideological-gap-between-more-and-less-educated-adults/
More education does not equal more informed. I know this counter intuitive, but had I gotten a phd, I would just be more knowledgeable about engineering not more informed on how the government and finances work. These can be correlated, but I think you data more indicates that liberals attend more college.
Engieneering has cybernetics, cybernetics does inform on how goverments work
How is cybernetics related to government?
You have to go out of your way to be specilized in something like cybernetics, its a very paticular specialty.
Goverment is feedback system. As well as any other social institution.
With this kind of thinking then any degree can be semi-related, which its fine to have more formal education but its not directly helpful. The issue I am referring to is that eudcation is not directly make you informed about things like how the monetary system works or history.
Fuck Trump, and fuck Putin.