Assuming he is sincere, then I’d assume that he would say that it’s not “their” protests at that point but the participation of others.
Under Harris, they stay isolated without energized allies as most people are relieved with the status quo. They hope that Trump pushes things so far to perhaps even cancel elections and trigger a violent uprising that opens the door for them to ultimately win and that is their opportunity to finally replace the status quo. A very dangerous game where a more likely outcome is a far right authoritarian state with lots of suffering and lives at stake, but that’s a risk they are glad for everyone to take.
You see this in their rhetoric, that it’s not their fault for failing to support a viable alternative to Trump, it’s everyone else’s fault for failing to agree with them, and maybe now everyone will learn their lesson and agree with them.
I’ve had conversations with them and they hold that democracy is the wrong way. Essentially they think the citizenry are too stupid and/or lazy to decide how things should be governed. This is pretty much the horseshoe effect, both the far right and far left want to replace the democratic system with something else. If someone doesn’t 100% agree with them, they must be wrong and their perspective must be ignored, and democracy means actually trying to work with such people. So they prefer to take their chances with prodding a violent conflict since they’ve figured they can never win peacefully. If they can’t have the presidency, then who cares. No patience for capturing local and legislative offices.
The far right was more effective strategically, playing the game until they could unleash. They played the game with the republican party according to the rules, and then won.
Exactly this, they’re playing the very silly, very illogical, very human game of, “it has to get worse, so it can get better”.
It’s kinda like a smoker who decides to get over smoking by chain-smoking more cigarettes than ever before, to make himself so sick of smoking he can quit. It’s a race between getting sick of smoking, and lung cancer.
Most likely things won’t get better. Things will get worse, and then worse, and then we die. We gave ourselves lung cancer while chain-smoking to avoid lung cancer.
I think the education is tricky, as you have competing interests and you have people countering education by calling it indoctrination. A huge part of the foundation for the situation today started with the conservative radio shows and fox news stepping up to start undermining education, to eventual great effect.
The engagement I kind of have the opposite view. If you can’t be bothered to understand the candidates and the issues, then you shouldn’t feel pressure to vote.A lot of engagement efforts say “you should be ashamed if you don’t vote, it doesn’t matter how you vote but just vote”. If you are there to just “mark your team” or fill in the ballot according to whatever person hands you a pre-filled “ballot guide” on the way in the door, maybe don’t sweat voting. Voting for an outcome without any effort to understand the consequences of that vote is worse than abstaining from a vote.
I can understand there are a lot of races, and my response is that there would be no shame in voting only for the races you can educate yourself about. A partial ballot is fine.
i think their argument would be that conditions will materially worsen for a significant propirtion of the population, escalating the chances of the working class to become conscious of their chains.
If a protest could work under trump why wouldn’t it work under Harris?
Very true, this guy is a dumb ass.
Assuming he is sincere, then I’d assume that he would say that it’s not “their” protests at that point but the participation of others.
Under Harris, they stay isolated without energized allies as most people are relieved with the status quo. They hope that Trump pushes things so far to perhaps even cancel elections and trigger a violent uprising that opens the door for them to ultimately win and that is their opportunity to finally replace the status quo. A very dangerous game where a more likely outcome is a far right authoritarian state with lots of suffering and lives at stake, but that’s a risk they are glad for everyone to take.
You see this in their rhetoric, that it’s not their fault for failing to support a viable alternative to Trump, it’s everyone else’s fault for failing to agree with them, and maybe now everyone will learn their lesson and agree with them.
I’ve had conversations with them and they hold that democracy is the wrong way. Essentially they think the citizenry are too stupid and/or lazy to decide how things should be governed. This is pretty much the horseshoe effect, both the far right and far left want to replace the democratic system with something else. If someone doesn’t 100% agree with them, they must be wrong and their perspective must be ignored, and democracy means actually trying to work with such people. So they prefer to take their chances with prodding a violent conflict since they’ve figured they can never win peacefully. If they can’t have the presidency, then who cares. No patience for capturing local and legislative offices.
The far right was more effective strategically, playing the game until they could unleash. They played the game with the republican party according to the rules, and then won.
Exactly this, they’re playing the very silly, very illogical, very human game of, “it has to get worse, so it can get better”.
It’s kinda like a smoker who decides to get over smoking by chain-smoking more cigarettes than ever before, to make himself so sick of smoking he can quit. It’s a race between getting sick of smoking, and lung cancer.
Most likely things won’t get better. Things will get worse, and then worse, and then we die. We gave ourselves lung cancer while chain-smoking to avoid lung cancer.
Well… Yes. This is more or less true. But that’s an argument to increase education and engagement, not to discard the whole system.
I think the education is tricky, as you have competing interests and you have people countering education by calling it indoctrination. A huge part of the foundation for the situation today started with the conservative radio shows and fox news stepping up to start undermining education, to eventual great effect.
The engagement I kind of have the opposite view. If you can’t be bothered to understand the candidates and the issues, then you shouldn’t feel pressure to vote.A lot of engagement efforts say “you should be ashamed if you don’t vote, it doesn’t matter how you vote but just vote”. If you are there to just “mark your team” or fill in the ballot according to whatever person hands you a pre-filled “ballot guide” on the way in the door, maybe don’t sweat voting. Voting for an outcome without any effort to understand the consequences of that vote is worse than abstaining from a vote.
I can understand there are a lot of races, and my response is that there would be no shame in voting only for the races you can educate yourself about. A partial ballot is fine.
Because trump won’t take over Gaza and turn it into a casino strip…hang on a minute…
you’d think that would be the obvious mindset people who “care about human dignity” would have, right?
i think their argument would be that conditions will materially worsen for a significant propirtion of the population, escalating the chances of the working class to become conscious of their chains.
idk tho
Which is stupid. The Republicans crashed the world economy in 2008, destroying 40% of working people’s wealth, and were only out of power for 2 years.
Accelerationists gotta accelerate
Well the pedal is currently to the metal, what would you recommend?