Ehhh, I think it sends a message to any Independent or wavering trump voter that “hey, 'member all the threat to democracy stuff we talked about? Yeah, just kidding!”

Sucks to be the adult party but such is life.

Sure, and?

Remember when they had a hissy fit about a Supreme Court nomination too close to an election, refused to fill and then decided the opposite was true if trump was in charge?

In this case the assumption isn’t wrong, because while Harris would likely keep Biden’s policies Trump is going to change a lot of things for the worse, but if you assume that things won’t change under either administration then climate change would be the same under either president.

This might literally be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read.

“Sure, things will be different but then if you assume things won’t change then they’re the same.”

I feel dumber for having interacted with you, I’m done.

That’s an impressively self centered privileged possible view.

“Sure, a lot of you are going to die but I think it would have happened either way so there’s no difference between Harris and trump.”

Especially when you factor in the Left’s newfound support for Palestine and that there would presumably be support to push for changing the status quo, this somehow manages to be an even dumber take.

the only difference between what they’re trying to do and the status quo is what things are names.

That’s just nonsense. One is likely the end of the road for Palestineans in the West Bank, the other at least has chances for an alternative.

It’s as dumb as arguing that climate change would be the same under either President because you don’t think things will change.

Look, if you understand the simmering West Bank conflict and slow annexation then it’s even sillier to try and argue that trump and Harris mean the same thing for Palestinians, which was the entire point of the original comment.

Under trump, it looks like that project might finally get finished, whereas a Harris Biden administration was at the very least basically keeping the status quo intact.

Ideally, as tik tok has taught many progressives that Palestine exists and is worthy of care, you could see progressives voting (okay, but a man can dream) in the Democratic 2026 primaries and moving towards a 2 state solution. That is in now way realistic under a trump administration and once the annexation is finished, there isn’t a going back.

but that aside he might’ve felt emboldened to say it out loud,

Yeah, almost like it was something he wasn’t able to say or pursue during a Biden administration. Of course there were plans but being able to act on them required trump to win.

Yup. Like, work can suck but I spend much more of it reading memes instead of making sure I’m not about to ripped limb from limb in a shower of blood and viscera.

Always does not mean “since I started paying attention” but regardless…

Anyway, you’re so close! Let’s tey the socratic method, given that the West Bank has been an Israeli target for years, why do you think the violence has been at such a lower level than Gaza since the rapes and murders of Oct 7th?

And why did that coincidentally change days after the election, with Smoterich now directing “the start of professional work to prepare the necessary infrastructure to apply Israeli sovereignty over Judea and Samaria.”

If you’re ruling out Biden etc, was it just a wild miracle of timing?

I’m just finishing the Crippled God now! Definitely a difficult series but so infinitely rewarding (and heart breaking.)

If you honestly don’t understand the difference between saying “Netenyahu must order an annexation” or “our legislators will need to pursue this” and ““I have directed the start of professional work to prepare the necessary infrastructure to apply Israeli sovereignty over Judea and Samaria” well, that’s on you kid.

From the article:

In the past year, about 4,555 Palestinians have been displaced in the West Bank after Israeli forces demolished their homes.

Now, I’m no mathematician but surely you understand that’s orders of magnitude fewer than have been displaced in Gaza, right? Please?

Are you reading any of these and actually not noticing the difference between what’s being said before and after the election?

I agree with this so hard.

But it’s okay to admit we’re not living in poop houses anymore, I promise it won’t cause sudden mass contentment with our lives under modern regimes.

In fact, I feel refusal to admit this or similar actually **hurts **the cause. If we can’t admit to basic reality, why should anyone trust us about anything? If someone tells me that trump is bad because he turned them into a newt, well I’m going start to doubt the other cases they’re bringing forward against trump (unless that someone still looks very newt-y.)

Being unable to admit or ignorant of reality doesn’t make our case any more compelling, except to the similarly ignorant or converted.

With all respect, I had to chuckle at this as it reminded myself of me, a quarter century-ish ago, when after having watched Colin Powell give his speech to the UN about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, I confidently supported it. Then, a kind socials studies teacher pointed out the retrospectively obvious, just because a government says it, doesn’t make it true. But he did so without making me feel belittled or dumb so I’ll try to pass on the favour.

I’d think of it though like when trump as President says there was massive electoral fraud, when Hungary/Belarus argues for denazifying Ukraine etc. Just because a government is saying something does not make it true.

In the case of South Africa, context is huge, so let me share that with you.

Since actual Apartheid, South Africa’s been ruled for 30 uninterrupted years by the ANC, which wins largely on the basis of being A) Mandela’s party and B) the symbol of anti-colonialism etc. In the last 15 or so years though, progress has pretty much stopped (the stats on indoor plumbing, electricity, youth unemployment etc are heart breaking) and they’ve started bleeding support especially to harder, more populist, vehemently anti white parties (the two main rivals argue for seizing any white farms) on the one side and the technocratic but “whitey” party, the DA on the other side. Coming into this year, the polls and election results were the worst that the ANC has ever suffered, leading to a humiliating, first ever, coalition government with the ANC and the DA.

Amidst this backdrop, Gaza happened. I cannot imagine an easier symbol of the ANC’s anti-colonial roots than lobbying a very anti colonial case at the ICJ. All the benefits of identity politics and symbolism with almost zero cost. Especially when you consider the ANC almost certainly expected they were going to have to form an unpopular coalition government and to avoid burning the country down, would do so with whitey’s colonial party. (And yes, Ramaphosa absolutely touted and campaigned on his government’s cases at the ICJ.)

Edit: Sorry, Ramaphosa is the president of South Africa and leader of the ANC. Also, even without the domestic backdrop, you might consider their BRICS membership and what that entails.

You uhhh, might want to read some of the articles that pop up under that search:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/11/far-right-israeli-minister-orders-preparations-for-west-bank-annexation

Though yes, Israel has done some bombing in West Bank I don’t think anyone who has seriously followed the conflict would say that the actions in the West Bank have been in any way comparable to the scope and devastation in Gaza. (Admittedly, unsure what Tik Tok is saying.)

But I heard life was better as a medieval peasant! /s

(I know kids don’t know a lot but damn that take bothers the hell out of me.

I don’t think you know what apartheid actually was.

What new settlements happened thete in the last year? You are conflating an increase in tensions and conflict with expansion.

The West Bank, where roughly half of Palestineans live was more or less left alone as one of yhr administrations red lines (also, Iran’s oil/nuclear facilities.)

With trump incoming, it seems Israel feels they have a green light to expand in the West Bank.

You mean, finance minister Smotrich?

And yes, believe it or not, the Israelis were not the only people on Earth who didn’t know about the election of their largest ally and presumably gameplanned for either a Harris or trump victory.

The fact Smotrich held back from saying anything until after the election tells you the election mattered in terms of what happens next.

One of those dumb fucks already responded here.

But Id like to think they’re AI instead of just mind numbingly stupid.