And the engines can’t make the power.

Project 2025 has been around for years. How have people not noticed it?

Cherry pick much? You picked exceptions while ignoring the rest. At no point did I use absolutes like “all” founders were idiots or something. Yet you cherry pick and suggest that invalidates my points. Good grief.

Whatever. I’m done. I stand by my point: understand the founders in their time, understand their flaws, understand that we have polished their images while ignoring flaws and context to make them heroic. They were humans. That’s all.

“By saying all men were “created equal” Thomas Jefferson intended to abolish the system of hereditary aristocracy, where some individuals were born as lords and others were ordinary.”

Ok. Landed white male aristocracy.

Then there was black people not getting to vote.

Women couldn’t vote.

If you didn’t have enough property you couldn’t vote.

Native Americans weren’t citizens until the 1900s. Don’t forget the awful treatment and suffering they received at the hands of Jackson.

Let’s not bother discussing how long many of the founders owned slaves, despite their “enlightenment”, and how long it took them to free them. If they did.

That’s just off the top of my head. Sure seems like landed white males were still top of the heap as far as the founders went.

E: that’s framing for you. A bunch of (often rich) white guys wrote the rules for white males to still be in charge. Enlightened or not, that’s how the country started. We have improved on their work in many ways, but as I stated originally, we need to take the shiny veneer off and look at who they were and what they really did. None of this is untrue.

The problem here is you’re fighting a battle that doesn’t need to be fought. Nobody here is contesting the effect they had on the formation of this country, yet for some reason you want to argue that point.

My point is that they were flawed, and that we have revised some of their motives and framing to suit both grade-school level and adult levels of patriotism and worship of the people at the helm of the country’s beginnings. People don’t want to hear that, and it sounds like you’re in the same boat. I’m sorry if that’s something you’ve decided you don’t want to discuss but would rather hyper focus on their successes like some kind of founding father Facebook page. You’re making this argument about your views. It was never about you. If you’ve read everything, good for you. Move on.

Feel free to pile on some quotes if it helps you look the other way.

Edit: welp. People like their sugar-coated history. Too bad. It’s amazing how far we’ve come and adapted over time to make things better for everyone rather than “just white males get to vote”; but nobody wants to hear about why we started out that way when a bunch of white males wrote the rules?

Again, you are framing their words in your mind today and ignoring the context they were written. For instance, “all men are created equal” was intended to give all white males a shot at “equality” in reference to hereditary white aristocracy, not people of other colors. We have revised that to mean literally everyone.

You offer up quotes to prove how great they were but in the next breath say they were flawed while using those quotes as a rebuttal to my statement pointing out that these men were flawed.

Pick one.

Please read about these people, not just the polished historical deep-dives that go soft on their flaws to give the books a veneer of honest and complete truth while extolling their virtues as Great Founding Fathers. They were humans of their time and station.

I’ll offer a cautionary note on that take. We really need to meet our heroes, in this case our founding fathers, and frame their words and mindset in the time they said what they did. Those “ideals” revolved around landed white males and not the sugar-coated “I can not tell a lie” history we got in 4th grade.

Shhh, just let it happen.

Snowflake “revolution” wants to hit the ”easy button”.

We got “chocolate mint”. Yes, it actually does taste a bit like chocolate mint. Yes, it will take over your garden and be miserable to remove.

NO.

You said they were “the most ignorant people alive.”

Objectively sir you are wrong.

That’s meaningless. It’s a $ amount, not a property count.

No, you posted statistics that show silent and boomer generations as less educated than X, and millennials marginally more educated than X. So therefore by your own statistics boomers and silent are the most ignorant generations alive. You can’t even read your own statistics. You have a conclusion that you’re sticking to no matter what, even if your own “proof” proves you wrong. You skipped past every other rebuttal I offered or you blame autocorrect, boomers, and X for everything wrong. You didn’t even know who Gen X could vote for, and I bet you didn’t even check to see who the largest voting blocks were for following presidents. You just keep making shit up to suit who you want to blame for whatever issues you have.

Dude, just stop. Pretty shitty attitude when every X’er I know understands millennial problems, along with following gens, and really fucking hopes you can get your ass out there and vote so ALL of us can fix shit and live in a better place. E: feel free to check my comment history if you want to know where I stand.

Where does it say that Gen X is buying up multiple homes - you did say “hoarding”, so that means purchasing multiples…?

Well, I guess that means X are the “most ignorant people alive”.

Lol, your response is “No, u…” because you can’t be bothered to proofread?

I’m getting a pretty solid impression that you blame others for your problems while accepting no responsibility for your part in them.

Have a nice day.

I could see that working for the relative short term, but the renewal of what should be public domain copyrights is pretty insane.

Unless you drive a big pickup.

I’d bet that those that are in the “extreme pride” bracket have ratcheted up their pride to ever higher levels.

Why would copyright ever drive culture? The only thing it’s designed to do is drive profits.

Ok, I follow. I think we’re already there. Plenty of people are doing stupid things that are dangerous, either out of ignorance, lack of forethought, or nowadays for clout on social media. Pretty sure people have been doing dumb things for a long time, but they were more lethal in the past.