Doing the Lord’s work in the Devil’s basement

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  • Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.comtoLemmy Shitpost@lemmy.worldNope
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    14 days ago

    Jesus Christ man 😂 you’re looking for a moral angle but there is no moral angle here. A business has the right to design their transactions however they want, even if that design explicitly excludes people like you.

    Some people are easy-going, they are more prone to trust, they want to test a product they don’t write an essay about it about it they just put their CC info in, try the thing, and cancel the sub if it’s not for them. If they forget to cancel i refund their money cause i need a happy customer more than i need 20 bucks. You don’t need to call them rubes just because they’re invited to the party and you’re not.




  • Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.comtoLemmy Shitpost@lemmy.worldNope
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    15 days ago

    Hey man I’m not saying you’re wrong, but you’re touching on another important thing which is trust. On average, high trust people are just easier to manage, especially when you’re a small outfit. It’s better for everyone if low trust users bounce away because of the cc wall. They’ll come back once the product has some brand recognition or social proof.


  • Then these models are stupid

    Yup that is kind of the point. They are math functions designed to approximate human tasks.

    These models should start out with basics of language, so they don’t have to learn it from the ground up. That’s the next step. Right now they’re just well read idiots.

    I’m not sure what you’re pointing at here. How they do it right now, simplified, is you have a small model designed to cut text into tokens (“knowledge of syllables”), which are fed into a larger model which turns tokens into semantic information (“knowledge of language”), which is fed to a ridiculously fat model which “accomplishes the task” (“knowledge of things”).

    The first two models are small enough that they can be trained on the kind of data you describe, classic books, movie scripts etc… A couple hundred billion words maybe. But the last one requires orders of magnitude more data, in the trillions.


  • Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.comtoLemmy Shitpost@lemmy.worldNope
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    15 days ago

    Again, it’s a filter. You give me card details, that means you seriously want the product and also that you trust me. If i treat you right and give you a great experience you’ll be subscribed for years, purchasing add-ons, and recommending me to your friends. That’s much more valuable for me than skimming 20 bucks a month because you forgot to unsub.

    When it’s a big corpo sure they’ll do it cause they don’t give a shit about their customers or even their reputation. I’m honestly not saying it doesn’t happen. But when it’s a no-name with a small online product they can’t afford that shit. If they put a credit card wall it’s most likely because they were getting too many people on the free trial, and were having a hard time telling actual future customers from drive-bys. This solves that.






  • Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.comtoLemmy Shitpost@lemmy.worldNope
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    17 days ago

    Yes, it’s a classic.

    Pre-market fit it makes sense to be 100% free, as you want to gauge whether your product is attractive to people.

    Post-market fit you already know the product has traction, so now you want to gauge whether it is attractive enough for people to pay for it.


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    17 days ago

    Having worked at a bunch of SaaS products, it’s actually not that shady (at least in those cases i’ve seen). Free users are low value but they can cost a ton in support and commercial effort. Asking for a credit card upfront is just a simple way to filter for people who actually intend to maybe buy the product.

    OP’s reaction is not a bug, it’s the feature.