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  • On the other hand:

    Name a president that lies as much as trump.

    And I suspect that trump isn’t the first candidate to have said that.

    People don’t remember how batshit crazy US politics used to be…

    Like, you know federal politicians used to duel and kill each other? There’s been multiple fights in official chambers. Not just punches, elected officials beating each other with metal canes and putting each other in the hospital.

    Hell, we literally had a civil war already, and a war of independence.

    People who think we’re living in unprecedented times, just are ignorant of precedence.

    It sucks that our lifetime has to be interesting, but it’s what it is


  • So?

    What matters is winning elections.

    Stomping our feet and saying they should do what we tell them isn’t fucking working.

    So if you want them to vote D so together we can stop Rs…

    Maybe we should try running a better candidate than we have been?

    Maybe no matter how much the wealthy insist on it, just being slightly better than trump isn’t enough.

    Maybe we should just run the best candidate we can, one that already agrees with Dem voters so we don’t have to ask millions of people to hold their nose?

    The excuse for running candidates further to the right then Dem voters has always been that it would magically win an election.

    It hasn’t, and it won’t.

    It’s a bad strategy and we’ve stuck with it for about a decade longer than we should have already.

    What logical reason can you give to stick with a plan that even when it works doesn’t get us as much as we need, and fails regularly?

    As a bonus, the more Dems move right, the more Republicans do.

    So every election Dem voters have their potential winnings reduced and potential loses increased…

    And people are really surprised why turnout was low?!


  • I’m old as fuck…

    This isn’t the first time a republican has become president and everyone thinks they’ll never get to vote again.

    I can remember thinking 9/11 meant GW would cancel elections.

    If trump actually cancels elections, then it’s civil war. I’m not saying that I’ll start it, but there’s no way just flat out canceling elections is something all the states go along with.

    And an American civil war over if trump gets to be dictator for life isn’t just going to be America fighting itself, it’ll jump to WW3 almost immediately.

    Sucks to live in “interesting times” but it is what it is. This is what happens when the same small group of wealthy elites own the only two options. Voter turnout is depressed and the worst option wins because their voters are even worse people.

    So hopefully next time there’s a general election, at least one of the candidates will be willing to do what it takes to fight fascism.

    Biden was a waste of four years. Were worse off right now then when he took office according to you if this was the last election.



  • Tradition…

    It’s another one of those things where we’re not going to codify it because Republicans want it as a pocket ace, and moderates control party policy and they just have a phobia of admitting anything actually needs fixed, let alone fixing it.

    But the electors in a lot of states can do what they want

    32 states + DC are legally required to vote for the party that nominated them as electors tho.

    So some are “locked in”, the rest can pretty much do what they want. I know some states are on an “interstate compact” where once they get enough states it triggers them having to vote for the national popular vote winner.

    But I’m not sure what the overlap is with the ones who already have the requirement to vote for the party that appointed them or how that will shake out.




  • Lead, follow, or get out of the way…

    It’s going to suck to see all the resignations again instead of people staying and doing as much good as they can. Hell, even if they “quiet quit” and just stopped doing anything, Trump’s admin would have to devote time to getting rid of him. Time they’ll use instead to do more damage.

    Like, if ever there was a time to be obstructionist it’s now.

    But “moderates” and their appointees just don’t have it in them to fight, that’s why when one of two parties is openly fascist , they’re still fucking moderates.

    If fighting fascism is the best time for obstructionism, it’s also the worst time for moderate politics.


  • Inb4” (short for “in before”) is used to predict something that will be posted by another user.

    Right.

    And I said:

    Every onc and a while I’ll see a comment wanting him to run, but it usually only has one up vote, a shit ton of down votes, and comments from progressives explaining how Bernie shouldn’t run.

    And to prove me wrong…

    You linked a post where everyone was saying Bernie shouldn’t have won in 2028.

    I dunno man, maybe I blocked some accounts and aren’t seeing the same thing on that link as you.

    But it doesn’t seem like we’re going to work this one out.





  • What’s really fucked is they’re all talking about how NH is so important…

    The attention the party’s bench has showered on New Hampshire is both a blatant acknowledgment of future aspirations — “You all know how to pick a president,” Shapiro said during his breakfast stump — and a clear message that Biden’s attempt to strip the state of its spot atop the primary lineup in 2024 has not diminished its power in the presidential process going forward.

    Despite the DNC (which all of these candidates are cozy with) just took their primary delegates away less than a year.




  • Semantics…

    But no.

    We can’t tie it to a person, and Bernie is far to old to be the candidate.

    Tying it to a person is what happened with Obama in 08, so when he left in 2016 there was a vacuum in the party. Hillary and the neoliberal rank and file filled that vacuum, and they were rooting for trump because they needed the worst possible opponent for Hilary to have a chance.

    Bernie has been saying for decades he’s not the answer, the answer is a movement. Not loyalty to a single person who can never last a decade in office.

    As much as I love Bernie, he shouldn’t even run for his own Senate seat again. He doesn’t have to retire, there’s a lot of good work he could do growing the movement. But he’s too old for office and has been for a while.



  • . The closest I’ve ever seen is Sanders or AOC and they’re hardly mass appeal popular.

    What?

    Bernie could actually get republican voters and people who think the current Dem party is too far right.

    Withe division along party lines being so deep, progressives are probably the most popular politicians in America right now, everyone else just most of their own party likes them. They’re capped at 1/3 approval because of that

    People continuingly act like 1/3 of the country just doesn’t vote.

    We saw in 08 with Obama they’ll show up for a Dem running a populist campaign, and for whatever reason that’s the last time we’ve tried it in 16 years.

    Neoliberalism isn’t popular enough to win elections. And all it’s ever accomplished was driving Republicans to ever increasing extremes.



  • AOC is the best bet.

    But whoever it is, the focus needs to be on increasing turnout from the left and not attempting to steal Republican voters by moving the whole party right.

    Republican voters will always say if Dems agree with them they’ll vote D, but it’s always a lie and they’ll always vote R.

    Just this way they still get what they want if they lose and they know it’ll help the Republican win.

    Either the people running the DNC are so stupid they still haven’t noticed, or they’re in on the grift. Considering the same billionaires/corps donate to both parties, I’m not really it out.

    But regardless of why they’re so bad at their job, we can’t afford to keep letting them run the literal only other option to fascism.

    As John Oliver just said (paraphrased, but around 10:30 of latest episode):

    If you wanted a centrist campaign that’s quiet on trans issues, tough on border, distances itself from Palestinians, talks a lot law and order and reaches out to Republicans…

    That candidate existed, and she just lost.

    She can’t have gone any further “center” and she performed horribly. Anyone saying we went to far left isn’t paying attention to reality, they’ll listening to billionaire’s talking heads on the TV.