if you’re ok with recycling I can link you an old comment.

Yes please

we’ve got a really fucking good chair

I’ve seen nothing but criticism of Ken Martin

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/19/dnc-chair-ken-martin-infighting-00413409

It’s embarrassing how horrifically you have misread this comment thread.

You’re being antagonistic with someone who agrees with you.

Their point is that vote blue no matter who is an empty slogan that is only applied when the centrist is the blue candidate. Now that a socialist is the candidate, the Democratic Party will abandon the vote blue no matter who logic. Because it was always just a pretext to force the left into supporting neoliberals, it was never actually about actual party unity

Within the context of US politics, the center left/Democratic Party is the largest political obstacle for socialists. So antagonism towards the center left seems to be rational within that

Democrats hate progressives

Democrats hate socialists. Their job is to ensure that the leftward fringe of the party, and of acceptable mainstream discourse, never moves past progressive/social democracy. The Democratic Party serves capital by ensuring a neutered American left

Hopefully this can be changed

The current structure of society is wrong and is extremely harmful. Oligarchy is an abomination which produces terrible outcomes.

You wouldn’t choose this system in a vacuum. Therefore, the system must be fundamentally altered. To oppose this restructuring is both cruel and irrational. It is the epitome of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good - you’re so afraid of change that you’d rather keep an evil system in place.

Such paralyzing cowardice is not reasonable, and it is even less reasonable to feel smug about such cowardice. If you are going to protect this harmful system, then the more appropriate emotion to feel is shame.

Lots of people die in the United States as it is. Homelessness is rising drastically. How long until you’re next to be put out onto the street? Your employer can’t wait until they can automate your job and fire you.

Also, the United States has a long history of carrying out genocide even prior to Gaza. Odd given your fallacious implication that capitalism is peaceful

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965–66

Looting may be warranted or unwarranted. But, because majority support is not relevant, we shouldn’t evaluate the propriety of looting based on this metric

The point is that majority support is unnecessary for a thing to exist. In fact, it increasingly appears to be an irrelevant metric in general

He doesn’t focus on any of those things though, and instead talks about prioritizing anti-poverty and anti-hypocrisy.

The line that the Gospels are the why and socialism is the how appears to be apt. Liberation Theology is based on this principle. Which is the sect of Catholicism that clearly has heavily influenced both Francis and Leo

That link states that no federal reform occurred. Which supports my point.

Of the state level changes, they are all aesthetic and surface level changes - and even those are now being undone.

So I’m not seeing the real change. Which demonstrates that the protests were not effective

Isn’t this just admission to stereotyping which is inherently illogical?

The US is an oligarchy. Any actual threat to that would be suppressed. Because these protests were not suppressed, what conclusion can be drawn?

What I said would be true of Russia. This is because Russia is an oligarchy and this is how oligarchies operate.

The United States is an oligarchy as well.

Therefore what I said applies to the United States.

The goal of law enforcement is to preserve the existing social structure. American social structure is that of oligarchy. Therefore law enforcement exists to preserve oligarchy.

American law enforcement is immensely well funded. These protests did not all encounter law enforcement opposition. Therefore, law enforcement must have determined that these protests did not represent a threat to oligarchy. Therefore the protests were toothless because they did not represent a threat to the existing social structure

These protests, while better than nothing, will not produce real change.

Just as the George Floyd protests did not produce real change (Pelosi kneeling and raising a fist is not “real change”)

UnitedHealth reduced claim denials following the murder. So at least that is some tangible positive result

Law enforcement will only target protests that are a threat to the oligarchy.

If a planned public protest is not targeted by law enforcement then it has been determined to be a toothless protest

Oligarchy is not supported by the majority. Yet it exists nonetheless

The United States was created by the Revolutionary War.

We live in a country that only exists because of violence. We celebrate and honor this violence every year on July 4 (and on Memorial Day and Veterans Day)

Clearly we as a nation deeply believe in the transformative power of violence. It’s literally what it means to be an American.

Compare the perception of Ukrainians to that of Gazans. Obviously a bit of an apples to oranges comparison though in terms of the underlying conditions

Because not seeing the Palestinians as humans makes it easier to ignore the genocide

If people were being genocided, then that would be an issue. However, we are civilized enough in the West to realize that it is merely Muslim Arabs who are being killed. This makes the justification significantly easier to believe

it chooses to focus on judgement of how others live their lives or choose to enjoy said life rather than focus on the real and tangible injustices we face

Why do you see it this way?

Lack of dense affordable housing, inefficient transportation, empty consumerism, and grossly negligent yet expensive elder care are all examples of real and tangible injustices that Americans face.

Other real tangible injustices also exist, of course. And some of those other injustices may be more severe (homelessness, medical debt, declining life expectancy, unresponsive political systems). But the depicted injustices are real and present. They accordingly deserve to be criticized

We are fighting to change it.

Peacefully and inconsistently