Here, i’m trying to add nuances to what i wrote, i guess that i don’t have time to really argue on the Internet with people who’d disagree with them, yet the desire is still very much there, i don’t like echo chambers :

We’ll regret our current republic if times go 't/r’ough, since that usually means a more authoritarian governement.
Without robot-slaves, it’d also seem unavoidable that the wealthier will desire a higher rent to sustain a way of living and live above the peasants, if they need 10 times the peasant’s salary to do so, then we’d tend towards 10% of (neo-)nobles and 90% of (neo-)peasants.
It’s true that every(?) society of large enough scale was divided between the workers, (the soldiers, the clergy, …), and the privileged class, who didn’t have to work(, except for taking care of h.is.er fortune). One could argue that nobles of the past had more responsabilities than nowadays capitalists(, as well as an even more pronounced inequality in the face of the judicial system), but it’d be more interesting to know if technology will avoid the return to the “natural” order between the laborious class and the noble/annuitant one.

There’s a future in which capitalism coud still lead to a utopia, e.g. with robot-slaves, that’d make my/our fears wrong :

Despite what i wrote in this comment, better times are ahead, in particular thanks to these “robot-slaves”, and while everyone wants more, i don’t think we’re evil to the point of refusing a mostly labor-free life to every human on earth if we have the capacity to do so.
Capitalism wouldn’t announce an horrible future if we can still eat freely, if money/‘renting your body/time’ stop being a necessity, it could lead to some socialist ideals in a utopia.
I refuse to be cynical to the point of believing that the capitalists’ greed would be more important to them than allowing technology to free wo.men from (the loss of their entire lives to )work.s they hate.

Perhaps will i be old enough to see that happening, i don’t think that we’re evil, and i dare think that nobody is, we could very well be allowed to live in a utopia, they don’t hate their population.
Hence, i don’t really care of what we’re doing in our countries, if capitalists want to stay in power and enjoy their privileges, then so be it.

The solution to our fight against other countries, to our desire of security, to the threat of cultural hegemony, would be to be united in diversity, it’s doable&desirable :

What’s annoying is refusing to allow/‘live with’ countries that want to walk a different path, we need this diversity to think ouside the box, if every creation is a little birth then every synthesis is a little death.
We have to cohabitate, and while i’d prefer to live in a communist utopia like everyone on Lemmygrad, i wouldn’t want capitalism(, royalism, etc.,) to disappear all over the world, it’s their problem, and it’s interesting to know how they’ll evolve.

The usual counter-argument is that we have to coup/“convert” other countries because it makes us more secure, i don’t think that cultural hegemony is the only way to prevent military invasions, and i’d go as far as to say that it’s also not the only way to prevent covert operations and foreign propaganda, we need to have rules against them and a way to enforce them.
Capitalists would have to be certain that their privileges wouldn’t be overthrtrown by a communist revolution for them to accept socialist countries.
Or perhaps that these “robot-slaves” will make useless this need for a superior monetary/social position, having your basic needs met should be enough for everyone, independent communities with their own rules could flourish in the “land of the free”, who knows what the future has in store.

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If the only reason for the moderator to have deleted my comment is that it was confusing h.im.er as said in the modlog, then i hope that these titles quickly written will have solved the problem. If that really was the only motive for deletion.

If the real problem is only that it is too confusing, if i’m to believe the moderator, then here it is with explanations :

Answer to -6-6-6- about France as a vassal of the 3rd most populated country on Earth, the u.s.a., or, in his words, « France, like the rest of Europe, grovels at the will of the American Empire and does exactly what it demands of it. » :

Oh yeah(, the last paragraphs of https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1823393948775133302 stayed on my mind, and divided we(sterners) will be more easily conquerable), 100%, you won’t find many people here to contradict you.

Answer to the rest of -6-6-6- answer about the influence of wealth in our society or, in his words, « The funny part is that in France the capitalist bourgeoise also control the government and just use different mechanisms of power to do so. » :

On medias ownership in capitalist-owned countries :

The most obvious is the control of the medias, it’d be different if every single french media was saying that Venezuela is awesome and mocking the awful capitalists for being conspiratorial about the elections of countries they dislike.
Instead, every single french media will underline that venezuelans need to be saved from a tyrant, the same goes for other countries.
That’s why american medias could easily make Bernie Sanders president if they changed their definition of “objectivity”.
That’s why most people never heard of the awesome Jill Stein or other 3rd party candidates, France is obviously no exception with little candidates hardly spoken of.

On preventing citizens to present themselves in an election in capitalist-owned countries :

A less obvious one is that in France we don’t even need to explicitly ban political opponents(, awful when it happens in Venezuela, but not in Ecuador or many other countries, they almost succeeded with D.Trump, and apparently succeeded with R.Kennedy), we only have to require candidates to have hundreds of signatures/endorsements from mayors.
Hence, only a handful of candidates manage to get these endorsements, and not only did this number of required signatures went up, but it’s not anonymous anymore(, with the possibility of repercussions).
As expected, while anti-Europe or anti-imperialist candidates could have gotten enough signatures in the past(, strangely), they don’t anymore(, and even if they did the medias wouldn’t talk about such a little candidate, frankly never heard of by people i’ve spoken to).
Even very large political parties only get their signatures in the last weeks, weird.
My candidate would have been Clara Egger on this list of the citizens who tried to have these signatures, but i’ve never heard of most of them.

On election fraud in capitalist-owned countries :

And that’s not even considering that they may be cheating, which wouldn’t surprise me honestly.

Other influences of capitalists :

Obviously it doesn’t stop there : you need money in politics, and the thieves/capitalists sponsors don’t want ‘to give back’/taxes. Medias aren’t enough for our oligarchs, they also want control over the education, survey institutes, think tanks, as well as helping our capitalist-owned state in meddling in foreign countries, which is the real crime here i.m.o. : destroy your country if you want, but leave others alone.

Conclusion about elections :

People aren’t stupid, on the contrary, but they don’t have the time to document themselves, they don’t know that we’re being manipulated.

Out-of-topic : On Israel and the medias :

I do have to acknowledge that i expected more support for Israel, but the latter only said that it wants to take revenge for the (very partial )revenge taken by palestinians on Oct.7th. Israel tried to argue that it was more than revenge(, and we did pretend that the hostages weren’t released because of “Hamas”, and not because Israel refused to agree with a permanent ceasefire in exchange), but the argument of protection wasn’t bought by our medias, and since we agreed on our previous western wars that revenge was enough of a motive, Israel thought that it didn’t need to do more. Still, i expected more support for Israel, not sure if/‘how much’ it helped in restraining israelis.

Out-of-topic : On the medias and the islamists fighters/separatists/heroes/terrorists/rebels/martyrs/humans/murderers/victims/…{choose your denomination} in western Africa :

A good example of propaganda is that islamists in the Alliance of Sahel States are now progressively painted as the good guys since they’re fighting Russia(, even if i don’t expect us to go very far in that direction, we didn’t talk a lot about them in the past and will continue to do so, but the shift of narrative is very obvious, they’re promoted from terrorists to rebels now). Unbelievable i know since we fought them until very recently, and at least as late as president Hollande, but it’s similar to what we did with Bin-Laden in Afghanistan against the soviets after all(, or in Yugoslavia, Chechnya, Xinjiang, …, whatever serves our temporary interest).

To be fair, a reminder that censorship/bias/manipulation isn’t only anti-communist, but on both sides of the Overton window(, which doesn’t have only two directions b.t.w.) :

And the propaganda isn’t only anti-communist, but anti-fascist as well(, the far-right doesn’t identify itself with fascism though). Of course, you’re not going to like this obvious statement, and rightly state that at least far-right movements are supported by some billionaires, it’s just that the censorship&manipulation is directed towards both sides of the Overton window.

A reminder that more direct state censorship is also practiced in western countries :

Then there’s also direct state censorship, with so many examples(, “disinformation”, anti-“terrorism apologia”, “foreign actors”, even Rumble has been banned), but oligarch manipulations is probably more influent, not as if it was a competition.
Sure, things could be worse, especially since we still have the Internet(, for now ?), but keeping power isn’t that hard to do, even if the global distrust towards (legacy/mainstream )medias is a growing thorn is the side.

Oh, i was thinking that the confusion you were alluding to was about the last paragraphs that were added.

It has been deleted but you can still read it in the modlog if you want me to develop 1-2 paragraph.

https://lemmy.ml/post/18928441/12863732

Oh yeah, 100%, you won’t find many people here to contradict you.
The most obvious is the control of the medias, it’d be different if every single french media was saying that Venezuela is awesome and mocking the awful capitalists for being conspiratorial about the elections of countries they dislike. Instead, every single french media will underline that venezuelans need to be saved from a tyrant, the same goes for other countries.
That’s why american medias could easily make Bernie Sanders president if they changed their definition of “objectivity”, that’s why most people never heard of the awesome Jill Stein or other 3rd party candidates, France is obviously no exception with litte candidates hardly spoken of.
A less obvious one is that in France we don’t even need to explicitly ban political opponents(, awful when it happens in Venezuela, but not in Ecuador or many other countries, they almost succeeded with D.Trump, and apparently succeeded with R.Kennedy). In France, we only have to require candidates to have hundreds of signatures/endorsements from mayors, only a handful of candidates manage to get them, and not only did this number of signatures went up, but it’s not anonymous anymore(, with the possibility of repercussions), as expected anti-Europe or anti-imperialist candidates could have gotten enough signatures in the past, weirdly, but don’t anymore(, and even if they did the medias wouldn’t talk about such a little candidate, frankly never heard of by people i’ve spoken to). Even very large political parties only get their signatures in the last weeks, weird.
My candidate would have been Clara Egger, but i’ve never heard of most of them.
And that’s not even considering that they may be cheating, which wouldn’t surprise me honestly.
Obviously it doesn’t stop there : you need money, and the thieves/capitalists don’t want ‘to give back’/taxes. Medias aren’t enough for our oligarchs, they also want control over the education, survey institutes, think tanks, as well as helping our capitalist-owned state in meddling in foreign countries, which is the real crime here i.m.o. : destroy your country if you want, but leave others alone.
People aren’t stupid, on the contrary, but they don’t have the time to document themselves, they don’t know that we’re being manipulated.
And the propagande isn’t only anti-communist, but anti-fascist as well(, they don’t identify themselves with fascism though). Of course, you’re not going to like this obvious statement, and rightly state that at least far-right movements are supported by some billionaires, it’s just that the censorship&manipulation is directed towards both sides of the Overton window. Then there’s also direct state censorship, with so many examples(, “disinformation”, anti-“terrorism apologia”, “foreign actors”, even Rumble has been banned), but oligarch manipulations is probably more influent, not as if it was a competition. Sure, things could be worse, but keeping power isn’t that hard to do, even if the global distrust towards medias is a growing thorn is the side.

If numbers went up(, despite the relentless attacks), then socialism worked ?

America’s weird for never voting 3rd parties, i personally don’t care to vote for someone who’ll only get 1% in the end, and certainly wouldn’t vote for the “lesser evil” as long as i have a choice.
Well, that’s an american thing i never understood, i hope that France won’t end up as much of a two-party system as the u.s., 🤷

Yeah, and everyone should be happy about this, a greener Earth is a good thing for everyone, they did it, and we can avoid the apocalypse by simply copying them(, not on coal but on everything else, and they’re not only successful in ecology, we’re so aggressive, as if collaboration/harmony wasn’t desirable&doable).
Usually, it’s “their system is better than ours in those domains, and i want to imitate that”, here it’s more that we’re going to die by the end of century because the forces of the market aren’t quick enough, apparently.
As in Wandering Earth, we could collaborate peacefully, at least if it’s a question of survival ?
What i was trying to point out is that ecology was already very much discussed in the 60s, with the question of the scarcity of ressources already in mind contrary to what one could have thought(, now there’s some talk of “eco-terrorists”, but again eco-fascism isn’t a word that appeared last year), and the majority of the population believes that we’re going to die if we don’t do something, and we’ve already killed a large part of the biosphere.
If our leaders believe that we absolutely have to act NOW, like we’re being told, then journalists should help the viewer understand why the current strategy to survive( climate change) hasn’t borne fruits yet, or is it not an imminent threat that has to be resolved ? Perhaps are we already doing the most that can be done, and/or are on a good track, so there’s no reason to talk about it anymore ? Well, the People’s Republic of China found a more efficient solution, yet we’re not glad to have a greater chance of survival ? Are we not even going to use it ?

I’m not satisfied with what i wrote, i’m trying to write in a logical manner, but it still appears to be nonsensical. There’s either a big conspiracy to make us believe that climate change is real, or we indeed have to act NOW because we’re not even sure if we’ll make it in time to stabilize the rising temperature of the planet. I don’t see a third option.
My uneasiness may originate from me not having grasped the fact(?) that we’re going to die because we’re not changing our behaviors fast enough, and/or i suppose that any talk of impedent doom wouldn’t seem serious in the first place.
A majority may indeed believe in the urgency of climate, but perhaps only in theory, as some distant conceptual object, i.d.k., but we’re not voting for the most ecological political parties b.t.w., perhaps are we kinda hoping that the temperatures will stop rising by themselves, or that we’ll find out that we were already quick enough, 🤷.
If we have ‘to change/act now’/‘no time left ‘for more experimentations’/‘to find a better method’’ though, then we should be glad that a safer/‘more successful’ method has been found, and increase our chances of survival by imiting it. A long comment that should probably have been reduced to a few sentences, ~sry.

And while we can’t see the west’s hand everywhere, it’s always interesting to point out these kind of events our medias are ignoring, such as Haiti or Bangladesh : https://news.sky.com/story/bangladesh-prime-minister-resigns-after-deadly-protests-reports-13191184

t’was the main reason of the post above 🤷(, i don’t intend to make one about Bangladesh but it’d always be worth spending a few hours to learn more)

You’re saying that this program was a bad thing for the venezuelan/haitian/nicaraguan//cuban population, and i’m saying that 3 out of the 4 countries’ names were considered “terrorists” or w/e.
I didn’t judge whether it was a bad or a good thing, but only found weird that Haiti was put along these 3 countries. While it was mostly an excuse to learn about Haiti, this decision may have been taken solely on the basis of the number of illegal migrants, and not according to the ideology adopted by these nations(, although these two things are linked since by destroying their countries we’re creating a strong emigration).
Yet, once again, this post aimed more at gathering infos about Haiti than discussing this decision. But yes, the number of immigrants did increase since the adoption of these immigration permits, and hence canceling them could be seen as a “good” thing for these countries.

Totally unrelated, but americans get offended when i’m implying that they’re not christians, and i think that very few israelis are indeed jews. But if we were truly religious according to my criteria we would just be destroyed by those who aren’t :

“Thou shall not kill” is great in theory, and it’s easy to say that i’d gladly prefer to be harmed than to harm, even to the point of being killed rather than defending myself ; that even the “Hitlers” wouldn’t be fought back by me, but what about defending someone else ?
I’m glad that many people( i haven’t read) researched what a “just war” meant in the past, yet i don’t think that those harming others for “good” are right either. If you disagree with this comment, that’s because i haven’t made clear that my position on this issue doesn’t exist(, you may be angry at me for not knowing, but can’t disagree with someone who doesn’t know and believe that both positions are wrong).

And it was the birthday of el Comandante/Presidente Hugo Chávez yesterday.

An amazing victory despite all the fucking unjust western interferences and sanctions who destroyed their glorious country. Let’s destroy the u.s.a. so we shall see if they’ll elect a communist in order to escape further destruction.
But then some people will complain about frauds instead of western interferences/sanctions, fuck them.
B.t.w., even if we can never be certain that fraud didn’t occur, including in western countries :

And polls are unreliable, so the opposition cannot use them to affirm their victory :

Also :

They killed negotiators as well, and there’s a possibility that they’d kill V.Zelensky if he (re)joined Belarus and Russia at the expense of their european “dream”.

If i’m cynical, and pretend that we can know the future(, afghans and many others, including separatists during colonization, or communists during the Cold War, proved that some impossible fights can be won despite the odds) :

• If palestinians can win, then they will take back their land, and the jewish dream of rebuilding Jerusalem’s temple will disappear, they will still be able to live on these lands, but not with their own laws(, ethnostate isn’t necessarily a bad thing, that’s preserving diversity).
• If palestinians can’t win, then they should do what they can to enable a two-states solution, and in my eyes it’s the right-wing part of israelis politicians that prevented many attempts, at least from what i know. I’ve talked elsewhere of other solutions, but i don’t know. I like the idea of a world united to colonize, e.g., Mars, in order to give it to the whole islamic community in exchange, but i guess that it would be taken even less seriously than giving palestinians a part of Europe or the u.s.a., way better than the one they’re losing, and a one-state solution wouldn’t be the jewish ethnostate israelis want. I don’t know, they can’t just submit and die, or lose their land(, without receiving something of equal value), it’s clearly not fair, and hence can/must not be accepted. The palestinian suffering of these last decades is more obvious than the israelis we’re supposed to pity. I don’t see why Israel isn’t satisfied with the lands they already have, i don’t know what palestinians can still do at this point.

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• If ukrainians can win, they’ll be able to help in destroying/westernizing Russia.
• If they don’t, then i don’t see why it’d be so awful to abandon their n.a.t.o&e.u. desire(, they could even gain more than their territories by uniting with Belarus&Russia again).

And :

• If israelis can win, they’ll be able to take the lands they want, even from Lebanon why not.
• If they can’t, then there’s no reason to refuse the two-states solution i guess, as well as finding a way to improve their relations with their neighbours, if it’s possible. Perhaps that one day the israeli army would fight against the u.s.a., Russia, China, an african or european country, and alongside an islamic country in order to defend them. The Holy Quran talks with a lot of respect of jewish prophets, religious people should go along well, i clearly don’t believe in some kind of inherent antisemitism in islam(, on the contrary), jewish people will always be people that should convert(, like the samaritans of the past), but they’re not enemies. (Religions were supposedly enough to bring the Kingdom/City of God upon Earth…)

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• If russians can win, they’ll destroy the eastern part of Ukraine that refuses to join them(, they’ve stopped at the anti-n.a.t.o. part), by putting them on their side, or forcing a part of them to join a european country such as Poland. They’ll also be able to solve the problem of Transnistria.
• If they can’t, then they’ll be destroyed/westernized. It wasn’t great during the 90s, they’ll be dismantled into a few parts by a western support of separatists, and quite a lot of countries would cease to receive their help.

Not a great comment but, i.d.k., tell me if you have a thought about it ? I’ll probably edit it in the next hours.

Yeah :

And they’re talking elsewhere about being/having proud warriors but are only killing disarmed civilians.

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They also passed a law to reduce the work week from 48 hours to 40 hours.

And he was among the most vocal support in favor of Julian Assange.

As a symbolic gesture, he also sold the (luxurious )presidential plane, that counts. Another symbol if i’m not misreading.

After nationalizing lithium(, calling for an alliance), he also nationalized 13 power plants, as well as in the oil industry, which was not appreciated(2mn video).

I remember many other examples of friction with the u.s.a., and of support for oppressed countries(, more on Cuba here.

Finally, on a topic not only related to Mexico, i found the sentence « If the country had continued to grow at this rate, it would have European living standards today », if these assumptions are true then it’s the damnedest argument against neoliberalism, some would say “not a bug but a feature”, and i couldn’t blame their suspicion. https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1676657181301547009

Interesting.

Here’s another one about Mexico :

Debunking 31 Assange smears