What’s the difference?

Love it

AHHHHH so friggin cute!! Names?

🤯

It is all also very clearly stated in the information they must collect in order to provide their service. There should’ve been no surprises here, as you must assume that scenarios like these will happen eventually.

A whole new meaning to the is your fridge running joke

Even the very slight grin on the principal. Sort of saying “I know we gotta punish her…but dammit did that boy deserve the beating”

Lmao yeah I’m not sure what the commenter is implying? The question we should be asking is if the polled population is representative of the general population.

Do they expect the study to poll the entire US population?

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Is the “insulted American” in the room with us now?

It’s more than just “a man within range of vision”. Obviously we don’t have the full story here, but even in the text, there are specific behaviors that would, arguably, make a reasonable person suspect they were in imminent danger. Depending on the state, that is enough to trigger self-defense definition.

They had legitimate reason to believe they were in danger. Not assault at all. Unlikely to be assault.

Edit: Guess I shouldn’t say “definitely not assault”. Don’t have all the information here, so can’t come to any definitive conclusions.

There are….others??

I understand what they mean. I think this comes down to an exercise in semantics, and you are pushing the “country = home” analogy too literally.

Feelings of love and pride don’t need a pure rational root cause. They can exist in a more abstract sense, like in the case of “loving your home”. You can take pride/love in the work you do to clean your home, especially when realizing others will be living in it as well. I can “love” the earth, and want to take care of and respect it.

Love can be expressed in many different forms. I can both love my significant other and also love my parents. I think you can then extend this argument to loving something abstract, like earth, or your country, with a sort of rational basis being that I love my fellow humans and want to reduce suffering.

My point being that pride in one’s country is an artificial thing which you’ve been pushed into having from the outside and as such is a prime vector to manipulate you (and all it takes is to listen to politicians harp about the greatness of one’s country to see that it is indeed being used for that by some), not something natural like pride for you and those close to you and their deeds.

I don’t quite follow you here. To me, there is a difference between having love or pride in one’s country versus being nationalist. To me, the latter involves critical analysis and honesty about flaws, and working to fix those flaws. Nationalism on the other hand would be amount to uncritically supporting everything the country (or politician/government) does, which is I think what you are describing?

Also, how do you define what is “natural” vs “unnatural” pride?

Upvoted both of you

Typically I value comments based on argumentative strength and/or whether information provided adds value to discussion.

Strong arguments will be upvoted even if I disagree with the overall conclusion. And part of what makes arguments strong is civility and open-mindedness (in my opinion).

One can appreciate a strong argument, even if it goes against what they themselves believe.

Well said

Love that phrase…”love this country”.

What does it even mean? The citizens? The flag? The physical land and soil that encompasses “this country”? Love the government? If so, what about the government do you love? The governments policies? Laws? The constitution? The actual government employees? Which ones? The president? A combination? How is the combination divided?

Also, depending on the answer to the above, why? Because you were born here? You think it’s better than other countries? How are you defining “better”?

Stupid phrase imo.

I mean I think it’s the adults responsibility to make due diligent efforts to check, but if the minor continues to lie, is it really on the adult anymore? Unless there were glaring red flags that a reasonable person could suspect, I don’t believe the adult can be held responsible.

I have no idea how the law handles this, but from my understanding, “mens rea” (guilty mind) is required to prove criminal wrongdoing. There would be no “mens rea” proof here since the adult had to have willful intent to commit a crime.