I mean the literal text of the statement is, with some very minor quibbles, fine.
I think the telling point is, just ask “So would you support jail time for anyone in politics who incites violence?”
If the answer is “fuck yes” then you are talking to a potential ally, even if they may be confused by some crazy pants media (of which there is plenty) about where the source of the problem is. If the answer is any kind of hesitation while they try to figure out how to carve out an exception for their side, then they know what’s up and what they’re doing, and fuck ‘em.
How could the answer be yes when they’re supporting a person that deliberately incited political violence on Jan 6? And celebrated violence when it happened against political opponents or adjacents?
Because the media they consume amped them all up to think January 6th was all a fake, Biden is the one seizing power and stealing elections, and now he’s trying to disable the secret service protection of Trump and get him killed on purpose to stay in power, all kinds of crazy nonsense.
Even on January 6th, in the video where the guy is getting crushed in the door, you can hear a couple people in the crowd who are really alarmed that the guy is hurt. A lot of what’s going on with the Republican rank and file is that they are more or less normal people but the picture is their head is this crazy nonsense that makes it make sense to have the Republicans in charge. They think they are saving America when they are doing these things. I was talking with one yesterday, and he was super in favor of fair elections, paper ballots, representatives from both sides being there to oversee the process… basically he really doesn’t (like sincerely really doesn’t) want his side to steal the election. He just wants it to be fair. And his media has him all amped up on crazy nonsense where that’s not what is happening and the Democrats are stealing elections and ending American democracy and they have to be stopped. And so, the people who really do want to steal elections know exactly how to utilize him to do it.
The model where it’s just like 40% of Americans are these horrible people who are just doing violent crooked things on purpose, is not what it happening, and turning on a personal level against the people who are victimized by GOP propaganda is in my opinion not the way.
Mate I don’t doubt it but skip the media and pull out direct trump quotes for them.
He hasn’t seen a dictator or a white supremacist he doesn’t like.
You can pull a million quotes of him being an absolute asshole lunatic.
Are they not listening to the words he’s saying?
At what point do you say you are actually attracted to authoritarianism because you’re supporting the party that’s promises you that that’s what they will do.
I wonder if you have actually had one of these conversations. They’ve never heard Trump say those things. They have no ideas what’s in his policies, or his speeches, or anything about anything. They just know what’s been reported to them, and it’s all Trump all the way.
It’s hard. Humans are wired a certain way. They knit together into little societies where everyone agrees about certain things. And if literally every single person including every flesh and blood person you talk with, and every person you are parasocially connected with on the TV and Facebook and all these weird news sites with names like realpatriotrollofhonor.com, all agrees it’s one way, and furthermore anyone who disagrees with any of it is the ENEMY and needs to be attacked and ostracized, it’s pretty tough to get to the truth on your own.
I think having a bizarrely fractured world in your head where this stuff all makes sense is much more common than just being a POS who loves authoritarians. I certainly won’t say there is 0 overlap, and I’m not trying to excuse any of it in any way - just saying what I think is going on.
I mean the literal text of the statement is, with some very minor quibbles, fine.
I think the telling point is, just ask “So would you support jail time for anyone in politics who incites violence?”
If the answer is “fuck yes” then you are talking to a potential ally, even if they may be confused by some crazy pants media (of which there is plenty) about where the source of the problem is. If the answer is any kind of hesitation while they try to figure out how to carve out an exception for their side, then they know what’s up and what they’re doing, and fuck ‘em.
How could the answer be yes when they’re supporting a person that deliberately incited political violence on Jan 6? And celebrated violence when it happened against political opponents or adjacents?
Because the media they consume amped them all up to think January 6th was all a fake, Biden is the one seizing power and stealing elections, and now he’s trying to disable the secret service protection of Trump and get him killed on purpose to stay in power, all kinds of crazy nonsense.
Even on January 6th, in the video where the guy is getting crushed in the door, you can hear a couple people in the crowd who are really alarmed that the guy is hurt. A lot of what’s going on with the Republican rank and file is that they are more or less normal people but the picture is their head is this crazy nonsense that makes it make sense to have the Republicans in charge. They think they are saving America when they are doing these things. I was talking with one yesterday, and he was super in favor of fair elections, paper ballots, representatives from both sides being there to oversee the process… basically he really doesn’t (like sincerely really doesn’t) want his side to steal the election. He just wants it to be fair. And his media has him all amped up on crazy nonsense where that’s not what is happening and the Democrats are stealing elections and ending American democracy and they have to be stopped. And so, the people who really do want to steal elections know exactly how to utilize him to do it.
The model where it’s just like 40% of Americans are these horrible people who are just doing violent crooked things on purpose, is not what it happening, and turning on a personal level against the people who are victimized by GOP propaganda is in my opinion not the way.
Mate I don’t doubt it but skip the media and pull out direct trump quotes for them.
He hasn’t seen a dictator or a white supremacist he doesn’t like.
You can pull a million quotes of him being an absolute asshole lunatic.
Are they not listening to the words he’s saying?
At what point do you say you are actually attracted to authoritarianism because you’re supporting the party that’s promises you that that’s what they will do.
I wonder if you have actually had one of these conversations. They’ve never heard Trump say those things. They have no ideas what’s in his policies, or his speeches, or anything about anything. They just know what’s been reported to them, and it’s all Trump all the way.
It’s hard. Humans are wired a certain way. They knit together into little societies where everyone agrees about certain things. And if literally every single person including every flesh and blood person you talk with, and every person you are parasocially connected with on the TV and Facebook and all these weird news sites with names like realpatriotrollofhonor.com, all agrees it’s one way, and furthermore anyone who disagrees with any of it is the ENEMY and needs to be attacked and ostracized, it’s pretty tough to get to the truth on your own.
I think having a bizarrely fractured world in your head where this stuff all makes sense is much more common than just being a POS who loves authoritarians. I certainly won’t say there is 0 overlap, and I’m not trying to excuse any of it in any way - just saying what I think is going on.
Hard disagree. The dude is constantly tweeting bullshit. Ignorance is not an excuse.
Unfortunately every trump supporter I’ve talked to are in denial or just plan unaware