Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful youā€™ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post ā€” thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

  • bitofhope@awful.systems
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    The update on their news post supports the ā€œdonā€™t sue us for sending the data you asked us to sendā€ intention.

    UPDATE: Weā€™ve seen a little confusion about the language regarding licenses, so we want to clear that up. We need a license to allow us to make some of the basic functionality of Firefox possible. Without it, we couldnā€™t use information typed into Firefox, for example. It does NOT give us ownership of your data or a right to use it for anything other than what is described in the Privacy Notice.

    Whether or not to believe them is up to you.

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      Text removed in Mozilla TOS update:

             {
                 "@type": "Question",
                 "name": "Does Firefox sell your personal data?",
                 "acceptedAnswer": {
                     "@type": "Answer",
                     "text": "Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. Thatā€™s a promise. "
                 }
             },
      

      hereā€™s the diff

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        digging around in the the issue linked to that, it seems like the person who closed/approved this is someone from a different, external agency who lists moz as a client (her hachy profile also lists that as her employer)

        this pr was closed ā€œbecause we have new copyā€

        thereā€™s probably some questions to be asked around how this decision/instruction got made, but one would have to wade into mozā€™s corp and discussion systems to do so (and apparently they also have a (people mostly communicating on) Slack problem - nfi if thatā€™s open to community joining)

        none of them look good tho tbh

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        Oh hey, this is good. Wouldnā€™t want to have obsolete strings. About time they did away with the obsolete concept of ā€œnot selling your personal dataā€. Looking forward to April when thatā€™s finally deprecated.

        + # Obsolete string (expires 25-04-2025)
          does-firefox-sell = Does { -brand-name-firefox } sell your personal data?
          # Variables:
          # $url (url) - link to https://www.mozilla.org/firefox/privacy/
          
        + # Obsolete string (expires 25-04-2025)
          nope-never-have = Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. { -brand-name-firefox } products are designed to protect your privacy. <a href="{ $url }">Thatā€™s a promise.</a>
        
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      I think itā€™s a nonsense nothingburger ā€œclarificationā€, esp. given the defaults firefox sets a priori on a fresh profile. even with the ā€œno, donā€™t turn $x onā€ choices for things that it does offer those for, thereā€™s still some egregious defaults being turned on

      the cynic in me says itā€™s intentionally vague because theyā€™re trying to, in advance, lay the legal groundwork for whatever the fuck they push on by default. my motivation for that thought is because of seeing the exact playbook being used by other services in the past, and it tracks with the way theyā€™ve been pushing other features lately

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        Yep, the clarification doesnā€™t really clarify anything. If theyā€™re unable to write their terms of service in a way that a layperson in legal matters can understand the intended meaning, thatā€™s a problem. And itā€™s impossible for me to know whether their ā€œclarificationā€ is true or not. Sorry, Mozilla, youā€™ve made too many bad decisions already in the recent years, I donā€™t simply trust your word anymore. And, why didnā€™t they clarify it in the terms of service text itself?

        That they published the ToS like that and nobody vetoed it internally, thatā€™s a big problem too. I mean, did they expect people to not be shocked by what it says? Or did they expect nobody would read it?

        Anyway, switching to LibreWolf on all machines now.

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        Whether the terms are abusable by design or by accident doesnā€™t really matter, you get is abuse either way.

        How I wish we could have some nice things sometimes.