• fox [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      Obviously Trump won’t be any better than Biden, but if Biden wants people to vote for him rather than sit home and vote for nobody, he should consider not doing genocide. You know, an elected politician trying to represent their voters? The thing democracies are nominally for?

      The choices as they stand right now are:

      1. Vote for genocide
      2. Vote for genocide
      3. Don’t vote

      This sucks.

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        Quick correction:

        1. Vote for genocide
        2. Vote for increased genocide, plus the autocratic downfall of the US
        3. Don’t vote

        Edit: nice kneejerk downvote. Should’ve known not to get actual discourse from a hexbear account

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      Trump derangement syndrome really is real if you think there exists a worse possibility than the maximalist position already held by the biggest zionist politician America has had in the last 70 years. You think ‘orange man’ is going to be worse just because ‘orange man bad’?

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      It’s a really lazy reduction, too. Biden doesn’t spend his days just looking for ways to support genocide. Even if Trump and Biden are “essentially the same” with regard to genocide (they’re not), you can treat that as a logically moot issue. Therefore, you have to look at their other points, and in no way is Trump a better option than Biden in that regard, unless you’re personally getting kickbacks from the Trump grift mill.

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        There’s what Biden is actually doing vs what people think Trump will do. You think Trump will worsen the genocide - but what does that mean, materially? Biden is already sending Israel all the weapons they want and giving them all the air cover they need politically. What more could Trump do?

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          What more could Trump do?

          Send troops. Enact a draft to that end to “make the libz cry.” Send more weapons.

          But you’re agreeing with my point. If Trump and Biden are essentially the same on this issue, you have to compare the other things about them, and they are not even close to the same on other issues (LGBTQ rights, unions, women’s rights, taxes for the rich, etc.). If “supports genocide” is the single issue for you, then you live an immensely privileged life that you don’t have to worry about other aspects of governance.

          And no matter what you think, thanks to FPTP, those are your two options, because you can’t build the momentum needed to upset the upcoming election; you’re years too late. Abstention is a vote for the person you like less, so you are left with voting for Biden or Trump, whether you like it or not.

          Voting is not a valentine, it’s a chess move.

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            and they are not even close to the same on other issues (LGBTQ rights, unions, women’s rights, taxes for the rich, etc.).

            Yes they are

            If “supports genocide” is the single issue for you, then you live an immensely privileged life

            Square peg argument in a round hole of reality. Literally just copy and pasting into a thought terminating cliche what was absurd and ghoulish when you used it for healthcare.

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                  The fact that you think any of that is Biden’s fault tells me all I need to know about how serious you are about politics and facts.

                  I’m just going to link you to this comment, because your “objection” is exactly the same as theirs.

                  https://reddthat.com/comment/9976883

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                    smuglord I’m sorry you just activated my “I shut down emotionally and intellectually if I hear the wrong take” card

                    I’m assuming it’s your emotional wounds that prevent you from looking into where the burden of proof lies when asserting two things are different from each other?