• Pilferjinx@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    It would be nice if communism was an emergent behavior of humanity. It’s got to be forced from the top down with a vanguard.

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      Vanguards don’t force anything, they drive the spearpoint. In Russia, China, Cuba, etc the vanguards have all gained legitimacy through mass support of the working masses. You have it backwards.

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        We need a real path to communism. That means we need to completely control the population. It can be a mix of manufactured support and oppressive support, it doesn’t matter too much. Any deviation from the path needs severe punishment.

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          I have no idea what you’re trying to say here. Why does any of this “complete control” need to exist? Genuinely, what do you even think Communism is?

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            A stateless and classless society can’t come about without major conditioning. We are on a very short timeline and we can pussyfoot around with half measures.

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              What do you mean when you say we are on a “short timeline” for reaching statelessness and classless society? Such a society can only be achieved gradually through a long period of Socialism. Revolution is necessary, but afterwards we must build towards it.

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                24 hours ago

                Our capitalistic tendencies is our killing our planet. I’d estimate we have about 200 years to change or risk real extinction. I’m firmly in the anarchist camp but we don’t have the time to gradually fit a form we’re not naturally attributed to.

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                  Climate change is addressible through Socialism, we don’t need to reach full statelessness and classless society to consider Climate Change conquered. Look to the PRC, which appears to be leading the charge in tackling Climate Change, it’s still Socialist and yet is making major strides.

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                    23 hours ago

                    I didn’t say we need communism now. I’m saying we need a strong cohesive collective to address most of our sociological problems. It would be a form or socialism by name.

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      I think it is, but the top is enforcing capitalism and reacts to anything that smells like communism.