• Landless2029@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    So you’re going to vote republican then?

    Not vote at all?

    If you’re not voting get off your soapbox and fucking vote!

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      2 months ago

      I’m voting Uncommitted for presidential if Biden doesn’t step down. If he does step down that’s enough of a referendum on his Israel policy that I’m willing to vote for his replacement in this context, but Biden needs to go. He’s not only a deeply immoral person, he’s now literally unelectable.

      Democrats need to show actual signs of being able to listen. Not rhetoric or empty promises, but actual meaningful action. If they are unable to listen and submit to their constituency then they have no useful potential.

      If they want to continue playing chicken then that’s on them and we’ll deal with the consequences of that when they come.

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        2 months ago

        We have a first past the post-voting system and two major parties. You never vote FOR anyone. You only vote AGAINST who you hate more.

        Voting third party or not voting is exactly equivalent to voting for whoever you hate most of the top two candidates.

        The things I just said are facts. Logically proven. Look up CPG Grey’s FPTP video if you want an easy primer.

        So then the question just remains, do you think both candidates are equally horrible? If the answer is yes, then your strategy is correct. But if you think one of the two is slightly more horrible, that’s the one you should be voting against.

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          2 months ago

          I know how how our broken voting system works. You are trying to condescend, the same way neoliberals do when people won’t vote the way they want. It won’t work.

          I believe that genocide is wrong and runs counter to every single progressive policy and principle, and for that reason it’s literally impossible for any candidate that supports genocide to represent me or my interests. I don’t care what they say they will do or what they claim to believe, a candidate’s genocide support trumps any other consideration. Even when it comes to things those candidates might do that may benefit me or if the alternative threatens my privledged position and safety. I can’t be bribed with policy or threatened into compromising on genocide.

          If neither candidate can bring themselves to stop being genocidal, then I will vote to inflict a political price on the side that’s least far-right. And I will do it again, and again until either that party recognizes the need to move left out of basic need for political survival or we reach the end of this farsical game of corporate duopoly grab-ass and it simply comes to blows with the fascists.

          We cannot buy more time with lesser evils. We tried that. The time we bought over the past 50 years has been squandered, and now we’re left with only really hard choices, none of which are good. You can thank stubborn, racist narcissists like Joe Biden.

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            2 months ago

            Ok, so you think both are equally bad. That’s fine.

            I personally disagree, but that’s because I worry for my daughters and gay friends.

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              2 months ago

              Trans enby here.

              I’m focused on evacuating as many of my queer sibs from red zones as possible before Trump takes office, which is inevitable because liberals would rather drive away potential allies than admit that their electoral strategy might be flawed.

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        2 months ago

        You don’t understand the American political system. The President isn’t King.

        Bernie couldn’t have done more. It’s a Republican Supreme Court and Congress. Biden has done a great job with the limited power he has.

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          2 months ago

          The President isn’t King.

          No shit. You know what he is though? Head of the executive and commander in chief with veto on legislation. And he also has the single most visible bully pulpit on the planet earth.

          He’s not helpless and I will not entertain a conversation in which we pretend he is or one where asking him not to give his full-throated support to the mass starvation and bombing of fucking babies and innocent men and women is “the best he can do.”.

          Get the genocide apologia out of here.