There are some other things transpiring in American politics right now. But we must note that Democratic leaders are now unabashedly stating what Bernie Sanders supporters said over and over in 2020: the party pushed Joe Biden primarily to stop Bernie.
  • rayyy@lemmy.world
    4019·
    4 months ago

    Good going. Let’s argue and divide the Democrats when it needs unity the most.

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
      286·
      4 months ago

      “Oh man this is very inconvenient to the echo chamber. Please move on everyone nothing to see here”

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
      81·
      4 months ago

      If you don’t want evidence of fuckery coming out, it’s pretty easy not to engage in fuckery in the first place.

    • مهما طال الليل@lemm.ee
      97·
      4 months ago

      We held our noses and voted for him despite everything we knew in 2020. What did that get us? A genocide halfway across the world.

      This time around I decided to believe Biden when he says he is a Zionist. He demonstrated it over 30,000 times so far.

      • YeetPics@mander.xyz
        410·
        4 months ago

        I still remember on October 6th when Biden said “fuck all those Palestinians, murder them all.”

        It wasn’t because of the actions of a terrorist group that sparked a disproportionate response at all.

        • مهما طال الليل@lemm.ee
          115·
          4 months ago

          Collective Punishment is a war crime and against international law. So was the blockade and occupation of Gaza and the West Bank. Palestinians aren’t resisting out of nothing and their resistance is legal per international law.

          If this is the position most liberals hold, I see no reason why Arab and Muslim Americans should vote for a party that demonizes them anyways.

          Now we don’t know if Biden ever said that about Palestinians on October 6th but he did say it about Lebanese in 1982. So I know that he at least believes it and his actions show it.

          Begin said he was shocked at how passionately Biden supported Israel’s invasion when Biden “said he would go even further than Israel, adding that he’d forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.” Begin said, “I disassociated myself from these remarks,” adding: “I said to him: No, sir; attention must be paid. According to our values, it is forbidden to hurt women and children, even in war. Sometimes there are casualties among the civilian population as well. But it is forbidden to aspire to this. This is a yardstick of human civilization, not to hurt civilians.” The comments were striking from Begin, who had been notorious as a leader of the Irgun, a militant group that carried out some of the worst acts of ethnic cleansing accompanying the creation of the state of Israel, including the 1948 Deir Yassin massacre.

          https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-israeli-invasion-lebanon/

          • YeetPics@mander.xyz
            1·
            3 months ago

            October 7th wasn’t some great usurpation of settlers. It was another attempt at killing Jews because that’s what Hamas’ mission statement is you fucking idiots.

            Not saying Jews aren’t also trying to eradicate Palestinians.

            BOTH GROUPS ARE WRONG. STOP SUPPORTING ZIONISTS OR TERRORISTS.

            HAMAS CALL TO JIHAD;

            “The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews’ usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.” (Article 15)

            “Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty, loudly proclaiming: ‘Hail to Jihad!’. This cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah’s victory comes about.” (Article 33)

            On the destruction of Israel:

            “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.” (Preamble)

        • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          324·
          4 months ago

          also because most of the terminally online far left agree with the far right. which is why most of them are transphobic and anti-immigrant af.

          • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
            111·
            4 months ago

            Oh, I see. Biden’s adoption of Trump’s immigration policies are why centrists think he’s the most progressive president who ever progressed a progress.

              • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
                4·
                4 months ago

                Biden circumvented 26 environmental laws to build Trump’s wall for him. Centrists weren’t pretending his hands were tied then, since he was doing exactly what centrists want: whatever Republicans want.

            • happenis@lemmy.today
              11·
              4 months ago

              The wiki page specifically says that it’s highly criticized:

              Several political scientists, psychologists, and sociologists have criticized the horseshoe theory. […] political scientists do not appear to support this notion, and instances of peer-reviewed research on the subject are scarce. Existing studies and comprehensive reviews often find only limited support and only under certain conditions; they generally contradict the theory’s central premises.

              Just because it has a wiki page does not mean it’s a valid theory.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Theory

            • Zaktor@sopuli.xyzEnglish
              2·
              4 months ago

              You should be rejecting it because it’s opinion rather than “information” (mis or not), not because an online theory exists which codifies the opinion. And it probably should have been reported for Trolling in the first place. That’s not a comment intending to do anything but start a fight.

              • YeetPics@mander.xyz
                35·
                4 months ago

                Do you know how theory works?

                You have to prove a theory true before you can say it’s a fact.

                Saying it’s a fact is misinformation.

                Like saying “Biden started the genocide in Palestine”. Might make you feel popular in your echochamber, but reality is at odds with the statement.

                • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  52·
                  4 months ago

                  Do you know how theory works?

                  I sure as hell know how gaslighting works.

                  I get that you’re just happy to pretend that anyone to your left is a Trumpist because it gives you an excuse to dismiss anything you don’t like.

                  You have to prove a theory true before you can say it’s a fact.

                  Saying it’s a fact is misinformation.

                  Ain’t a whole lotta room for “jeepers, it’s totally only a theory” here:

                  also because most of the terminally online far left agree with the far right. which is why most of them are transphobic and anti-immigrant af.

                  Which is straight up libeling an entire movement. There is NOTHING that says most leftists are transphobic or anti-immigrant. Not a goddamned thing. That’s not a ThEoRy, it’s a fucking lie.

                  Like saying “Biden started the genocide in Palestine”.

                  Which I’ve never said. I’ve said that he supports Netanyahu’s genocide. But hey, you’re not above some libel. You can just call it a theory after the fact.

      • EatATaco@lemm.eeEnglish
        17·
        4 months ago

        Reluctantly, I gave the piece a fair shake.

        It’s garbage. We know that the DNC pushed other more moderate candidates out so that a more moderate candidate, one the average democratic voter and independent thinks they want, could win instead of them all splitting the vote. This was obvious, not some conspiracy theory.

        The author of the piece is trying to claim that because one person said they chose a candidate that could beat sanders, that was the ultimate goal. But they wanted to beat sanders because they felt he couldn’t beat trump. They quote one person effectively saying this, but then dishonestly spin it.

        The second quote is one person saying that he thinks sanders policies are bad, as if this proves anything.

        It’s amazing anyone reads this site without realizing how terrible it is.