Rothbard has awesome smile
Market reforms of Deng were amazing
I hope you won’t mind my ultra moment here. I think while the results speak for themselves, he got lucky.
Even in retrospect, Deng Xiaoping seems to be the rightmost someone can be and still reasonably be considered a communist. Looking at some of his unimplemented ideas and the policies that were reversed in the following decades, it’s understandable why someone would think he was a capitalist roader in his time. The path he set the CPC on meant that the party had to walk a difficult tightrope, fooling the westerners by obfuscating their long-term plans while keeping the creeping liberalism at check. Whole the capacity of her administrators and will of her people played the main part, China couldn’t have made it to today without fortune by their side.
Tldr I agree but only with hindsight
I think while the results speak for themselves, he got lucky.
It was a leap of faith and incredible trust in the future generations. If that went as market reforms did elswhere we would be now cursing him as second Gorbachev (or Gorbachev as second Deng). And the world could be as well completely doomed with no socialist China.
isnt that true all the time though? i remember reading in john reeds book that what made the soldiers finally break for the october revolution was kerenski demanding and not asking. Up until then a lot were undecided and the revolution might have failed because the ones that were decided were stronger on kerenskis side? so much in life is up to chance that the best you can do is hedge your bets
I don’t think this is an ultra moment, so much as leaving out dialectics. Luck always factors into things, yeah, but the results speak for themselves because communist theory and practice works, and socialist projects continuously show this. The way they went about it could have gone wrong in a number of ways, sure, but so can working toward a revolution, so can the start of a revolution, so can the day to day mundanity of organizing a local party meeting, etc. It’s how you use the dialectical process to adapt to the shifting circumstances and predict outcomes that makes the difference. And of course the people themselves, the struggle they put into it every step of the way. But point being, Deng and whoever all agreed with his path were picking a path and trying it, and in some ways it worked and some ways it didn’t, and they have adjusted since. It’s that adjusting that is so pivotal.
Or to put it another way, while luck is always a factor in things, analysis can usually reveal that there’s less luck than it might seem at a glance and sometimes it’s a matter of how deep you get into the factors in play. Casinos play on this all the time by having the appearance of handing over outcomes to luck, but in reality, being heavily weighted toward the “house winning.”
I think the government should have a balanced budget.
Reading these comments got me like “🙂”
I’m somewhat of an anti-natalist. I don’t think it’s necessarily smart to have children, only if you really want to but even then not too many.
I think there are too many rules when it comes to things like alcohol and cigarettes because I think it is the responsibility of the person itself and not the government. But fuck cigarette and alcohol advertising though
Lastly I don’t like it when people are too affectionate in public and think they should keep it to themselves
Agreed besides for the last point. I don’t mind holding hands and kisses on benches. I can see your point if you mean making out or further intimacy.
Every person I know with a child does not regret having them. However, from an outside perspective, every person I know with a child has had to eat some form of major shit because of the fact they had a responsibility for that child. You are easier to control with a child. That is a simple fact.
Either or not that is worth having a child in this current system is up to you and I don’t think anyone should be limited from having a child.
100% on that last point LMAO, not the rest though
Gambling should be illegal
I believe in the death penalty as a security measure, but not as punishment, at least in theory.
In practice, the cost to society to ensure absolute certainty in guilt almost always far outweighs the security gain, so it doesn’t make sense. Maybe once a century.
trans ppl should form an ethnostate in great britain and expel, enslave, and/or exterminate the cis population. all the property of the cis inhabitants should be confiscated without exception and distributed among the worthy members of the Party as well as soldiers who have been accorded honours for bravery
I thought this was the thread for right wing views???
I seriously struggle to comprehend why anybody would want to step foot in that godless isle. And to bounce off your idea, all Lesbians must live on the island of Lesbos! It is the natural order! xD
This is the future Labor wants
Based on all the discourse recently, my position that AI and LLMs should be outlawed.
I am an unapologetic Butlerian Jihadist
I understand the sentiment in your view, but I politely implore you to think of all the people and scientific advancement that A.I. is already helping.
There have been numerous cases of researchers using A.I., and the A.I. discovers numerous treatments for many types of diseases/illnesses, like types of cancer.
Or the A.I. come sup with new types of steel and building materials, that actually work.
I have a background in virtual screening software, where we just brute forced every compound that was commercially viable to produce (ZINC database) to see if it would bind to a cell receptor.
Having a new way to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks does not impress me.
But better AI should be able to pick stickier shits, which will save work in the long run. I agree that AI should not be used to hurt workers, but will be very important for fully automated luxury communism.
We are so far from automated luxury communism, and the idea that this technology would actually move us closer, is laughable. I honestly don’t believe that any technology has actually moved us closer to Communism. They seem to actually just concentrate more and more power in fewer and fewer hands.
Look if you want your fun little tech fetish, go right ahead, but don’t claim that LLMs are making the world better.
I watched the “Computer Revolution” and how it was going to fix EVERYTHING. It was going to transform the world.
All it did was just make a couple thousand people, more rich than was possible before.
All we are going to see is this buggy, hallucinating, flawed God take over everything, and like a mad God, it will make incomprehensible demands and pronouncements, and we’ll all be forced to obey them, while a handful of billionaires cook the planet and extract all the value, then we all die.
It’s the stupidest fucking outcome, and every person who keeps being a booster for LLMs and masks their little freakish obsession with them with flowerly marxist language makes me sick.
“actually it’s good that artists, programmers, and writers are being proletarianized, replaced with a shitty hallucinatin LLM that can’t actually do the work, but can bullshit it enough that management thinks they can layoff everyone and just pocket the savings”
Jesus Christ.
“Yes but we need the LLMs to destroy everyone’s livelihoods so that we can have our secular version of a Rapture (violent revolution where a bunch of people who never fucking shoot guns (the SRA is a joke) win against a superior force) and finally achieve fully automated luxury Communism”
Completely delusional
When the heck did I say that LLMs are going to run society? AI is much more than just LLMs, though LLMs are the manifestation of the current stage of development of AI.
Companies like Walmart are already using automated systems to optimize product distribution and maximize profit.[1] There is no reason why we can’t use improved versions of these AI systems to centrally plan country-wide economics in the future to maximize well-being and other democratically-defined goals.
Not sure if I’d go so far as “outlawed” (not really sure how that would be accomplished, at least in our current society), but I otherwise agree, and the discourse about the topic on this site has been genuinely upsetting the hell out of me lately, particularly because of much it truly is downplaying/denying the very real harm it’s causing, with some of it honestly coming across as cheering on said harm
So many of my friends and loved ones are artists too, so it’s particularly personal for me
While I strongly believe in rehabilitation, I think that convicted pedophiles/rapists should be put down. I’m not sure if I want would it to be the case for every single one, but it should be on the table.
I think that everyone should have the right to own a gun for self-defense purposes. At least, ideally.
I guess in a vacuum, I can understand that proper documentation could be required in order to vote. But only in a socialist society, and only when the state guarantees everyone can access their own documents freely and like candy.
How do you handle false convictions? They are obviously very rare but doesn’t it seem like executions should be avoided considering that they do in fact occur.
Death penalty is good actually, as long as it isn’t used just on minorities. Super useful to scare capitalists.
I don’t think fear is a good reason to be using the death penalty. Tho tbf, considering the topic question, it does sound pretty right-wing to be wanting to use fear as a tactic to control people.
i know deterrence doesn’t work for regular crime but maybe it does for white-collar crimes that are premeditated conspiracies and continuously reaffirmed by the perpetrators?
I mean, I’m not against state intervention in suppressing the capitalist class during the transition to where class doesn’t exist. That’s an important thing. I’m not even opposed to China’s handling of corruption, which sometimes involves death sentence as far as I know - I don’t know what reasoning they’re operating from and why they think that makes sense for them, so it wouldn’t make sense for me to weigh in on it.
But as a general principle concept of promoting death penalty to “scare” “bad people”, I don’t see how it would accomplish anything on that alone. If regular people commit crimes in spite of scary repression when they are desperate enough, capitalists and the like no doubt will some of the time too because the inertia of their class circumstances drive them toward financial crimes. And fearing getting caught may deter some people some of the time, but it doesn’t address the inertia.
I can however think of at least one other reason more directly practical that a socialist state might go for death penalty for some financial crimes. Which is, in dealing with imperialism along with concerns about internal reactionaries, there’s always the possibility that a corrupt figure who is influential enough / has strong enough ties can escape or get released later by some form of opposition and used further against the working class.
The difference is that capitalists aren’t desperate. They commit crimes just to make numbers get bigger. Just fining corporations for doing crimes doesn’t do anything, because then it just becomes a cost of doing business. You must attack the people in the corporations making the decisions to make money, and the death penalty is one of the tools for that.
To understand the use of the death penalty, imagine how many worker hours a capitalist who steals a billion dollars takes away. Assuming the average US salary (~$66,000) and working lifespan (77.43 years - 20 yr childhood), they’ve stolen the entire life earnings of 264 Americans. These calcs look even worse for any non-U.S. country because the theft is usually done in the USD, but all the workers make a much less valuable currency.
As of now, China mostly uses death sentence with reprieve for financial crimes, which means that if the sentenced person doesn’t commit another crime in a couple years, their sentence gets demoted to life sentence. Actual execution has only been used for extreme cases, such as Sichuan mining tycoon Liu Han, worth $6.4 billion, for his crime syndicate of gambling, loan sharking, illicit arms trading, contract killing, and actual lethal shootings.[1]
Death penalty, but only for the bourgeoisie and for politicians who betray the proletariat
And for supporters of death penalty
And child pr3dators
Oh fuck yes, no list for them, just straight to the guillotine after sentencing
Found Luigi’s account. hi
Maybe there should be limits to kids being on social media and on the internet
I’ve thought about this before, and i think while limits are a good idea, most peoples approach to this would be a disaster.
Using the internet is a skill. One that most of us alive today have naturally developed over time. Kids need to be able to do this too. Otherwise once they become adults they will be very confused, and susceptible to scams. Much like how elderly people who didn’t use it as kids are now.
For that reason i think its necessary to have an internet that is just for kids. I’m not talking about like the typical youtube kids sort of thing. I mean like an entire separate net. Similar to the one everyone else uses, but with guardrails in place. Give them all a little currency of digital points they can use to buy things like cosmetics for their profiles, or even real things. Maybe stores could offer little treats, or toys to them for the points. Then let them have ways to scam each other, and ways to earn the points by doing things like watching educational content, or doing good in school.
Moderate it heavily for content. But not for how they act towards each other. It would allow them to experience being scammed and losing their hard earned points in a controlled environment without it being real money once they’re an adult. Things like bullying, while they should be monitored, i would allow to an extent. It’s going to happen on the real internet, and people need to get used to ignoring it. I would even argue professional adult educators should have fake profiles in this kid net where they play bad actors. They comment things like “This is stupid” under posts, they try to scam them, stuff like that. Then we foster a culture among the actual kids where they are good at spotting these scams, it could be taught in school then used in practice against the fake accounts, and dealing with bullying. Teach them when someone comments a mean thing you respond by refuting it, and complementing the person it was directed at.
I think this mainly comes down to one thing. Kids are not gonna stay kids. People these days tend to act like they will. Like sheltering them from everything is the answer. People learn through experience, and if you shelter people through their childhood they lose out on opportunities to learn things naturally like this. Then they become adults who are naive, and vulnerable.
So we simulate the real internet in a controlled environment. Foster a culture on this fake internet that is positive, and robust against bad actors. Then let it slowly bleed over into the real internet as these kids get older. I’d probably allow them on the real internet once they turn 15 or 16, and allow them to stay on the kid net until 18. So there would be a transitional period.
As for enforcing it the most i would do if a kid somehow like jailbroke their device and got on the main internet is some sort of school punishment. Extra work or something. Maybe involving computers since they have shown an interest in that by doing it. As for adults who get on the kid net unauthorized I’d treat it as a serious criminal offense. Depending on what they were doing anything from massive fines, to prison time.
In a functioning post-capitslist society, people should be expected to work if they are reasonably able. (I’m not sure if this is really even right wing but I know a lot of people who would say that it is).
You’re right, this isn’t right-wing, guaranteed employment is in socialist constitutions. The more of us working, the less we’ll individually have to. Contrast with, say, nazi Germany where they had relatively few people working many hours.
Lenin said that he who doesn’t not work shall also not eat
For me, it’s stuff that I consciously realize is wrong but unconsciously and irrationally still believe in to some extent.
I still believe in personal responsibility bootstrapping to an unreasonable degree. For example, I see obesity and drug use as personal moral failings that are wholly on the individual, and only the individual, to rectify – for myself anyway. I don’t wield it as a cudgel against others at least. Come to think of it, I think I mostly believe in this solely so I can be hard on myself.
I also for some reason vacillate between reactionary Dawkins style anti-theism (extreme to the point where I’m convinced I’d crucify Jesus again if I ever met him) and being convinced that religiosity and spirituality are prerequisites to being a good person and that my inability to convince myself that god is real means I’m an ontologically evil subhuman.
Also also I find it hard to resist my hard-wired programming to be a knee-jerk western chauvinist. A lot of my “unlimited genocide on the first world” style posting is partly to counteract this tendency within me with an opposite extreme. I guess growing up during the war on terror and never coming across opinions like “maybe all those people our government is bombing are human beings actually” until I’m an adult will do that to a person.
I still believe in personal responsibility bootstrapping to an unreasonable degree.
Same, and that’s coming from someone who has been in the gutter himself. But I think that me getting out of it on my own causes thoughts like that because I also realize that systemic oppression and liberalism and whatnot play a huge part in keeping people down, so much so that bootstrapping alone isn’t helping that.
I managed to get out of my shit due to 1) a lot of discipline and character and 2) let’s not kid myself, privilege. And I see so many people stuck in the shit at my job and I think to myself: man, if only you’d do this or that and things might improve. But that’s arrogant on my behalf, really. Like I know it all.
Idk if it’s most but “Richmond is a hard road to travel” is a good tune.
