I have complicated feelings on this. (Note: I’ve yet to play BG3, I will eventually)
I’m bisexual, so I’d never ever install this mod. But I feel as though that I can’t say someone is explicitly wrong for doing so. Maybe they’re not the kind of person I’d want to interact with, and maybe I might not be able to help but judge them a little, but its their prerogative.
Like, should a person be expected to expose themselves to something they see as sexual if it makes them uncomfortable? Even if that discomfort stems from homophobia or fear of discovering that they are bi/gay? Like, this arguably is an issue of whatever the player consents to seeing.
It being included in the anti-woke modlist is funny though.
IMO you’ve consented to seeing sexual content when you continue purchasing and/or playing the game after seeing the content warning and age rating that includes “Nudity” and “Strong Sexual Content”.
That’s a good point, but IDK if that’d mean they consent to all sexual content in the sense that they might have some ignorant expectations of what they’ll find in the game with that rating.
This is obviously extremely tame compared to some of the stuff they probably just stumble over on the internet.
Though obviously, they don’t consent to it if they decide to specifically install this mod.
Does this make everyone’s ass flatter or just Asterion’s? I’m genuinely curious. Because I know he isn’t the only one that’s caked up.
Even then, if it’s just Asterion and not other male characters, I don’t know what to make of it. I don’t think making an ass flatter is homophobic (although it certainly isn’t ally behavior). But it might reveal some internalized homophobia. Maybe. Again, I’m not really sure.
If it were all male characters and none of the female characters I’d be more concerned about sexism than homophobia. But that’s just me.
Obviously, given that the mod seems to be just Asterion, it’s not a real concern. But if they were leaving women as they are (scantily clad, revealing outfits, etc) and de-sexualizing I’d be more concerned about why they feel it’s okay to objectify women and not men.
That’s what I suspected you meant. I agree that it is (partially) irrelevant to the topic of this post, but still I think its interesting enough that I want to engage with it if you don’t mind.
Sexualization is not intrinsically objectification. It can be but you’d have to make an assumption about their motivations for installing such a mod that I think is unrealistic in that case.
Further, keeping character’s you find attractive sexy and de-sexing characters who you (think you) find unnattractive on your own local private play through seems like something a person would do for the sake of enhancing a private fantasy. It’d be that they are treating the game as at least partly an erotic experience would be my assumption that would be damaged for them if the sexualization of certain character hurts that experience for them.
Of course I should reiterate that I’ve not played the game. So I might be missing some context. I have played Skyrim loaded with, ah-hem… certain mods. And I know why I installed those, and it wasn’t because I wanted to embrace objectification.
I mean, if we’re taking the example of flattening an ass on men and leaving round, partially exposed asses on women, I think we’re going beyond objectifying people. The game let’s you run around naked with genitals on display. If someone wants to have that kind of play experience, they can do it without mods. So if they feel the need to desexualize men and leave women in sexual roles, it tells me something about how they see women.
I’m not asking you to come to the same conclusion. You’re free to feel however you want.
So if they feel the need to desexualize men and leave women in sexual roles, it tells me something about how they see women.
It tells you how they see people they’re attracted to. Which happens to be women. (and maybe men but they’re denying that potentiality to themselves possibly)
I find both men and women physically attractive, but I do not find all men and women physically attractive. If I installed a mod that de-sexualized certain people but not by gender, would that mean I’m objectifying the people I find attractive?
Culture obviously plays a role here in making men see women as merely potential sexual play things. Even when I thought I was straight I never understood this on a personal level, because a major factor in finding someone sexy for me is precisely that they are not an object.
I’m not trying to change your mind I’m earnestly curious about how you think. My question was good faith. I promise.
If it theoretically ended up changing your mind or making you dig your heels in, so be it in either case. That’s not what I want to achieve here in asking you about your perception.
I also earnestly just enjoy discourse.
If you don’t want to answer though, that’s fine. I’ll leave you be.
I have complicated feelings on this. (Note: I’ve yet to play BG3, I will eventually)
I’m bisexual, so I’d never ever install this mod. But I feel as though that I can’t say someone is explicitly wrong for doing so. Maybe they’re not the kind of person I’d want to interact with, and maybe I might not be able to help but judge them a little, but its their prerogative.
Like, should a person be expected to expose themselves to something they see as sexual if it makes them uncomfortable? Even if that discomfort stems from homophobia or fear of discovering that they are bi/gay? Like, this arguably is an issue of whatever the player consents to seeing.
It being included in the anti-woke modlist is funny though.
IMO you’ve consented to seeing sexual content when you continue purchasing and/or playing the game after seeing the content warning and age rating that includes “Nudity” and “Strong Sexual Content”.
That’s a good point, but IDK if that’d mean they consent to all sexual content in the sense that they might have some ignorant expectations of what they’ll find in the game with that rating.
This is obviously extremely tame compared to some of the stuff they probably just stumble over on the internet. Though obviously, they don’t consent to it if they decide to specifically install this mod.
Does this make everyone’s ass flatter or just Asterion’s? I’m genuinely curious. Because I know he isn’t the only one that’s caked up.
Even then, if it’s just Asterion and not other male characters, I don’t know what to make of it. I don’t think making an ass flatter is homophobic (although it certainly isn’t ally behavior). But it might reveal some internalized homophobia. Maybe. Again, I’m not really sure.
If it were all male characters and none of the female characters I’d be more concerned about sexism than homophobia. But that’s just me.
I assume just Asterion’s given that’s what the tweet suggests.
That’s an interesting take, could you elaborate?
Obviously, given that the mod seems to be just Asterion, it’s not a real concern. But if they were leaving women as they are (scantily clad, revealing outfits, etc) and de-sexualizing I’d be more concerned about why they feel it’s okay to objectify women and not men.
But it seems like it’s a moot point, anyway.
That’s what I suspected you meant. I agree that it is (partially) irrelevant to the topic of this post, but still I think its interesting enough that I want to engage with it if you don’t mind.
Sexualization is not intrinsically objectification. It can be but you’d have to make an assumption about their motivations for installing such a mod that I think is unrealistic in that case.
Further, keeping character’s you find attractive sexy and de-sexing characters who you (think you) find unnattractive on your own local private play through seems like something a person would do for the sake of enhancing a private fantasy. It’d be that they are treating the game as at least partly an erotic experience would be my assumption that would be damaged for them if the sexualization of certain character hurts that experience for them.
Of course I should reiterate that I’ve not played the game. So I might be missing some context. I have played Skyrim loaded with, ah-hem… certain mods. And I know why I installed those, and it wasn’t because I wanted to embrace objectification.
I mean, if we’re taking the example of flattening an ass on men and leaving round, partially exposed asses on women, I think we’re going beyond objectifying people. The game let’s you run around naked with genitals on display. If someone wants to have that kind of play experience, they can do it without mods. So if they feel the need to desexualize men and leave women in sexual roles, it tells me something about how they see women.
I’m not asking you to come to the same conclusion. You’re free to feel however you want.
It tells you how they see people they’re attracted to. Which happens to be women. (and maybe men but they’re denying that potentiality to themselves possibly)
I find both men and women physically attractive, but I do not find all men and women physically attractive. If I installed a mod that de-sexualized certain people but not by gender, would that mean I’m objectifying the people I find attractive?
Culture obviously plays a role here in making men see women as merely potential sexual play things. Even when I thought I was straight I never understood this on a personal level, because a major factor in finding someone sexy for me is precisely that they are not an object.
I told you don’t need to agree with me. Can we leave it at that? Or do you think it’s your job to change my mind?
I’m not trying to change your mind I’m earnestly curious about how you think. My question was good faith. I promise.
If it theoretically ended up changing your mind or making you dig your heels in, so be it in either case. That’s not what I want to achieve here in asking you about your perception.
I also earnestly just enjoy discourse.
If you don’t want to answer though, that’s fine. I’ll leave you be.