And I’m not saying that homophobia, internalized or not, shouldn’t be considered.
Yeah I know you aren’t saying that. In the same way that I’d still consider sexism/mysogyny as a possibility of being their primary reason. Its just not my first thought based on my experiences and intuition.
As you say, there are other reasons to engage in such behavior. But a) I’m probably going to be reasonably skeptical of those reasons and b) even if they have those reasons, it doesn’t make them not a misogynist.
FWIW I’m gay and nonbinary. I get where concern for homophobia is coming from. It’s just not my first thought in the specific scenario we’re discussing.
Yeah I understand that is your stance, what I don’t understand is why you’d suspect that over homophobia. That’s what I’m legitimately curious about.
Like, is it the same as me, in that its based on your personal experiences and knowledge of your own internal knowledge of your mind when you were younger? Is it more of some kind of logical/rational analysis? or statistical fact? Is it intuition? Ideological frameworks?
I just don’t understand why this is your thinking and I’d like to know. I’m not saying you are wrong, my own beliefs aren’t on like, rock solid critical thinking or facts or whatever. Its personal experience.
Call it intuition if you need to label it. But having spent most of my life passing as a man, and flying under the radar sometimes (in that people didn’t immediately know that I was gay), I just heard a lot more misogyny than homophobia. That’s probably just the guys that I know. But it has influenced me.
In my experience, men don’t sexualize women to appreciate their beauty, but to demean them. It makes them feel powerful.
Yeah I know you aren’t saying that. In the same way that I’d still consider sexism/mysogyny as a possibility of being their primary reason. Its just not my first thought based on my experiences and intuition.
Yeah I understand that is your stance, what I don’t understand is why you’d suspect that over homophobia. That’s what I’m legitimately curious about.
Like, is it the same as me, in that its based on your personal experiences and knowledge of your own internal knowledge of your mind when you were younger? Is it more of some kind of logical/rational analysis? or statistical fact? Is it intuition? Ideological frameworks?
I just don’t understand why this is your thinking and I’d like to know. I’m not saying you are wrong, my own beliefs aren’t on like, rock solid critical thinking or facts or whatever. Its personal experience.
Call it intuition if you need to label it. But having spent most of my life passing as a man, and flying under the radar sometimes (in that people didn’t immediately know that I was gay), I just heard a lot more misogyny than homophobia. That’s probably just the guys that I know. But it has influenced me.
In my experience, men don’t sexualize women to appreciate their beauty, but to demean them. It makes them feel powerful.