Steven Pinker explains the cognitive biases we all suffer from and how they can short-circuit rational thinking and lead us into believing stupid things. Skip to 12:15 to bypass the preamble.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    Sorry… you don’t think printing what notable critics of Pinker say about him is relevant? Is his so-called science above criticism? Is the racism much of his so-called science is based upon also beyond criticism?

    And no, evo psych is garbage because it’s garbage. Or at least mostly garbage.

    Let’s start with the Center for Inquiry. I hope, as someone posting in a skeptic community, you consider them a valid source: https://cdn.centerforinquiry.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2006/03/22164612/p23.pdf

    But in case you don’t, here’s more, from numerous sources and of varying degrees of complexity:

    https://philpapers.org/rec/ESMIEP-2

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10113342/

    https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2019/04/09/i-almost-felt-pity-for-evolutionary-psychology/

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/out-the-darkness/201412/how-valid-is-evolutionary-psychology

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      Sorry… you don’t think printing what notable critics of Pinker say about him is relevant?

      It should not form 100% of an encyclopedia article about anyone. And they aren’t notable, it seems as if tue one editor who’s been running that page since last year added every possible article they found through Google.

      It would be worth including his seminal work such as his 1990 paper on th evolution of language (worth a read)

      https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/behavioral-and-brain-sciences/article/abs/natural-language-and-natural-selection/CDD84686D58AF70E3D2CB48486D7940B

      Is his so-called science above criticism?

      No one is above criticism but an encyclopedia is meant to be comprehensive.

      Is the racism much of his so-called science is based upon also beyond criticism? And no, evo psych is garbage because it’s garbage. Or at least mostly garbage.

      Well now we’re just being silly. You can’t seriously believe that animal behaviour has no evolutionary component? You believe in souls instead?

      Let’s start with the Center for Inquiry. I hope, as someone posting in a skeptic community, you consider them a valid source: https://cdn.centerforinquiry.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2006/03/22164612/p23.pdf

      Well that’s not CFI that’s Skeptical Enquirer and it’s an article from Massimo Pigliucci and the headline is subject to Betteridges law of headlines.

      But in case you don’t, here’s spam

      Please don’t spam, I’d rather hear you articulate your reasons rather than resorting to other people to do the work for you.

      (Although all those articles follow the same formula: find some garbage evopsych publications => conclude the whole premise is nonsense)

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          That is rather unwarranted given its still an active field and is the only accepted explanation for the origin of animal behaviour.

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            is the only accepted explanation for the origin of animal behaviour.

            This is not true. Ethology is the general study of animal behavior. Evolutionary Psychology is specific to human behavior and is not the only approach to studying it either. Sociobiology an example of a less criticized field studying human behavior based on evolution.

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              This is not true. Firstly, Evolutionary Psychology is not involved with “animal” behavior in general, it is specific to human psychology.

              Most of the field focuses on primates because, unsurprisingly, that’s where we find most of psychology. It is wrong to say it has nothing to do with animals.

              Ethology is the general study of animal behavior.

              And botany is the study of plants? Every field in biology overlaps with evolution.

              Also Evolutionary Psychology is not the only approach to studying human behavior either.

              That’s not a challenge to the premise of evopsych. If anything it sort of supports it.

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                That’s not a challenge to the premise of evopsych. If anything it sort of supports it.

                It was in response to your claim that Evolutionary Psychology is the “the only accepted explanation for the origin of animal behaviour.” If you want to make that claim you need to support it with some kind of reference.

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                  It was in response to your claim that Evolutionary Psychology is the “the only accepted explanation for the origin of animal behaviour.”

                  Well it doesn’t refute that.

                  If you want to make that claim you need to support it with some kind of reference.

                  Well ok, perhaps “only accepted explanation” was claiming too much given that a large proportion of the population believe in souls or pure blank-slatism for human behavior.

                  For the non-human animals though, it certainly isn’t controversial to say evolution is the only explanation for the origin of behaviour. What else could it be?

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                    it certainly isn’t controversial to say evolution is the only explanation for the origin of behaviour. What else could it be?

                    there’s a lot to unpack here. firstly, there is more to human behavior than genetics/evolution, hence nature vs nurture. in other words our human experience determines our behavior in addition to genetics.

                    Secondly, that’s not the only claim or assumption of Evolutionary Psychology. There is lots of other stuff besides that statement that is controversial at best.

                    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_evolutionary_psychology

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        (Although all those articles follow the same formula: find some garbage evopsych publications => conclude the whole premise is nonsense)

        Wow, you read those articles that you labeled as “spam” very quickly.

        Or did you not read them and thus not know what they said?

        Seems dishonest either way.

        But I am amused by your CFI is not the Skeptical Inquirer claim when that’s literally the publication put out by CFI.

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        And they aren’t notable

        Now I know you’re being dishonest. Not only does the article state their qualifications and link to where they wrote it, suggesting Stephen Jay Gould is not notable is ludicrous.