This is a post for Lemmygrad members to talk about things liberals are doing/saying. Let’s vent about liberal bullshit together.
liberals are so awful. try to talk to them about ukraine (by saying NATO started the war against russia and/or what the US says about the war isn’t 100% true), and they’ll say that what you’re saying is russian propaganda.
try to talk to them about china (even by saying that china is better than the US and/or that not everything the US says about china is true) and they will get upset and say stuff like “china is an authoritarian totalitarian dictatorship!!”
i hate liberals.
you really can’t win talking to a liberal. Anything you have to say that would persuade them to take a more nuanced stance on an issue, media’s already rotted their brain on.
Wanting them to understand that backing the Ukraine government is the worst of the three possible options? They’ll call it Russian propaganda, and potentially also imply that you’re a Russian agent. (real cold war shit)
Wanting them to understand that China is objectively better than the US in almost every way, and that the media has a habit of making stuff up about the country and the government? They’ll go on about Tiananmen square, the Uyghur camps, and “social credits”, and likely say racist shit casually.
Wanting them to understand that North Korea is a much freer nation than they assume, that’s arguably better than South Korea? They start shouting about government-mandated haircuts, torture of civilians, wild dogs eating people, etc.
in 2016 I corrected some liberals on reddit about North Korea’s nuclear capabilities. It was literally just provable technical data, with a lil “and that’s why y’all should be calm” thrown in. They called me a “Russian bot”, a “Trumpie”, and a “Republican troll” because I shattered their fearmongering.
There is literally no winning with them. Nothing you can say matters. And over it all, the smugness and “better than you” attitude makes the argument twice as grating.
If my options were between arguing with fascists / far-righters or liberals, I’d pick the fashies any day. At least their beliefs are rigid and calculatable. They’re not going to fold in on themselves in a month and start arguing opposite of what they were, they’re not going to suddenly change all of their stances depending on the topic at hand. Liberals will tell you genocide is bad when China is supposedly doing it, but when a white nation is doing it suddenly it’s okay. They’ll say locking children in cages is evil when it’s under Trump, but don’t say a word about it under Obama and defend it under Biden.
I hate their smug holier than thou attitude towards everything. ‘No, we’re not victims of propaganda. We’re free. China and Russia are the real baddies you see. Capitalism works despite the major crises we face every odd year. Socialism could never work. I don’t read political theory, why’d you ask. Slava Ukraini!’
Like, I get right wing extremists. At least they have actual ideals they want to achieve. I don’t ever agree with them, but they seem consistent in their views. Liberals, what the fuck do they stand for? The current thing in the news. They get bombarded for 8 years about how bad Ukraine is only for them to yell fascist slogans within a month of media pressure.
It’s complete and utter nonsense. Just standing for whatever thing is on tv but never wanting actual systematic change. Just vibes. And boy are they proud about their idiocy.
Edit: also their attitude of not doing anything. Some even say communism is nice in theory but it won’t work. Even if we manage to get 80% of communism done (whatever that means) we vastly improve life for a lot of people. But CIA says it doesn’t work so I won’t change a thing to the current system, which also doesn’t work (for 99% of the people at least). Grow up.
Just the way they fucking talk. You all know what I mean, they all have these dorky ass, snarky, sarcastic, reeking of proud ignorance and arrogance phrases they rehash over and over again. I can’t even put it into words, it just makes me viscerally angry. Like fuck conservatives and chuds too, but at least they don’t talk like this…
Libs thinking freedom literally means dying of exposure in the street. And that being able to say the absolute most bigoted thing on earth is better than guaranteeing food, shelter, education and clothing for all.
The utter state of idealism is a philosophical black hole that devours any possibility of discussion about providing material goods for people to enrich or maintain healthy lives.
I see liberalism as an extension of Platonism and Christianity after that. It’s a continuation of the belief that the ideal world(words/ideas/concepts aka heaven) is objectively logical or pure and gives birth to the material world. That’s where a lot of this idiotic drivel comes from about left-Puritanism. It’s better to hold the “correct” ideal belief(anarchism) than to practice an imperfect/incomplete system that must function in the real world. It’s better to lose and be pure than to win and make mistakes along the way.
It’s also the reason capitalism functions. If we stop pretending money isn’t made up and that the bourgeois can’t actually work 300x or even 2x more or better than their employees, or that landlords don’t actually do anything, or that infinite growth of wealth is nonsense then it all logically comes crashing down. The only way to maintain the liberal status quo is by denying the material world and it’s constraints.
That first paragraph is spot-on. Somehow they believe that it’d be better to be homeless, starving and without healthcare as long as they’re able to “criticize the government”
And then what happens after the criticism? Nothing.
The Dutch government totally fucked over tens of thousands of families and incorrectly labeled them frauds, causing suicides, evictions, torn apart families in thousands of euros of debt. This was a deliberate action.
Everyone was so outraged. How could this have happened?? Cue the elections after 2 months where the country votes on the exact same government.
But boy did they show they were mad! No consequences though, we’re not radicals.
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Recently I introduced a group of “socialist” liberals to the idea of “radical anti-fascism”. That being the idea that leftists should be organizing into militant assemblies to counter the growth of far-right militias. They acted like that was the worst thing they’ve ever heard in their lives, seemingly just because an ML said it.
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Liberals are congratulating and celebrating Daria Dugina’s death by domestic terrorism, seemingly just because it happened in Russia and could have been done by a Ukraine-oriented group. When the IRA was doing it, it was unexeptable. When possible pro-Ukrainians do it to our geopolitical enemy, it’s something to celebrate.
Xi please liberate USA
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