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This is cringeworthy, but then most Internet atheists are.
(And I’m an atheist just not the reddit type)
Your comment is cringeworthy 😡😡😡
I agree, I usually keep to myself but I sort of hoped lemmy could do better than other social media in criticism of religion. But no it’s still the same strawmanning that they do in religious circles towards us. I feel that it vindicates the religious that when they come here, all they see are very bad arguments against their belief system.
You know the sins aren’t really like that in the original text and I’ve taken to thinking this is just a collection of rules to help make a more productive second class work force.
Don’t be sitting around when you could be working and don’t think that just because you did the work you can claim to own it.
Don’t be wanting more or better either. And if you eat to much you will forget the hunger that pushes you to keep working.
Don’t fight back and be thankful for what you get and nothing else.I mean I get it sometimes the work needs to get done but christianity feels weaponized as a stick with a single carrot that you can never get to have cause it’s been made up by the people getting beaten by the stick.
I don’t want to be part of the chorus that exists eternal to praise Yahweh and nothing else.Rules? They’re more a set of guidelines.
A check list, if you wish
Not defending god here but afaik the 7 deadly sins come from the divine comedy
They aren’t listed in the Bible, but they definetly weren’t made up by Dante
Yeah, they aren’t biblical, basically just Christian fanfiction
The term isn’t found in the bible,but there are plenty of references to the sins.
Mark 7:20-23 (NLT) 20 And then he added, ‘It is what comes from inside that defiles you. 21 For from within, out of a person’s heart, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, lustful desires, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness. 23 All these vile things come from within; they are what defile you.’
Proverbs 6:16 - 19 (KJV)
These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief
A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren
Most are derived from Psalms, Proverbs, and other locations in the old testament. It came from Catholicism. The weakest of the seven for a Biblical origin is Sloth, as it is derived from a failure to act in line with scripture. The list itself is not of canonical origin but is instead a collection of thoughts in a simplification that is easier to digest and remember.
There is some value in the scripture when it comes to philosophy, however small that may be. It is a great example of what humans were able to directly observe in their time, the ways humans were manipulated with their vulnerabilities, how politics and religion were the same thing in past eras, and many other minor intrigues. Still, 99% of life that has ever existed has gone extinct, and there is not a single reference in scripture that reflects ontological knowledge of the universe. Every bit of every religious work around the world can be explained by human observations and meddling. If a God exists, the least they could have done is prove their existence by giving any of the cosmological constants that are the fundamental building blocks of the universe, or act like a sane person and give me a call any time - my phone is on. Faith is a synonym for fantasy, and primarily persists because of religious isolationist social networking, and teaching faith to gullible children before they have a choice in their social networking development path.
but it is ultimately completely pointless. someone(or rather many someones) made up the OG bible canon and some fanfics are becoming almost canon by being well known. same difference
Revelation is one of the most quoted judeo-christian texts, and I recently learned that it was written as a fanfic and it took the fandom a surprisingly long time to recognise it as part of the official lore.
Rules for thee but not for me
I’m not saying it’s real, but if it was, can you really make a case for all 9 billion people (or however many there are now) to have the same powers as a God?
God is a sigma
Don’t forget… Gamboling is a deadly Sin… Proceeds to fuck with Lot to win a bet
I think you meant gambling, but gamboling is probably disallowed by these nitwits too.
“Yaehab, such demonstrations of allow Satan into your heart!” *Backhands child*
As far as I know these sins are only sins for mortals. For example pride is wrong because you worship yourself instead of God. Sloth is wrong because it would be your job to better the world, not God’s and so on.
Right, God knows better than you and is above it all you stupid animal, sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and blindly follow whatever the newest version of the Bible says, because that’s what “faith” means
The gluttony one needs work tbh. Bit of a gish gallop there needing reinforcement.
I know Anon is, uh, joking and we shouldn’t use a 4chan greentext for real discussion, but the wrath and envy points are why I’m more inclined to believe the Gnostic version of Christianity over the others. It’s super weird and telling that the Judeo-Christian God is extremely jealous.
Envy is an interesting one, I think this is usually based primarily on the ‘Golden Calf’ story.
There’s a bit of context that makes that story much more interesting. The stories that eventually led to what we think of as the christian god depict god as a bull. It brings up the possibility that the story wasn’t calling out against worshipping other gods but instead a warning against reverting back to old ways, changes how you approach the story.
Historical evidence there is really all over the place though, there’s a LOT of other interpretations and possibilities.
the one unique thing about the religion that became the abrahamic religions was that its followers went around the fertile crescent destroying other peoples temples and attempting to convert everyone to their religion and saying that their god was the only real one, and they never stopped doing that. Regardless of the interpretation of that one particular fantasy i think this particular god has the whole envy thing pretty well locked down.
Funny thing - no god(s) have ever punished a single person for any of those transgressions - only people do.
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Hold your hat sir, you have been found to be spreading misinformation
The archeologist opinion is
Despite the hype, archaeologists have consistently reaffirmed over the years that the formation is natural, not the result of a petrified shipwreck, and that there is no geologic record of a global flood like the one described in religious texts.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/archaeology/a45700571/was-noahs-ark-found/
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And the tower of Babel? And the ark? And parting the red sea? … ahem… the fairy tales have gotten loose again.
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Normalizing fantasy as reality is not something I deal in. /shrug
Based.
Exmo take: there are divine attributes to each sin.
Sloth is to be meek and humble.
It is good to healthfully “lust” towards your lawfully wed spouce.
Take pride in your work, and family.
Be gluttonous in your education and church studies.
Be envious of God’s attention by doing good acts.
There is a righteous wrath in terms of self defense and protecting others from wrongdoing.
And greed, well you gotta be wealthy in order to afford giving God a nice juicy tithe. Also gotta be self sufficient.
There’s a bunch of mental gymnastics involved but that’s from when I was a “good mormon boy.”
And greed, well you gotta be wealthy in order to afford giving God a nice juicy tithe. Also gotta be self sufficient.
According to Luke 16:13 Jesus said “You cannot serve both God and money.”
Mark 10:21 “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
Mark 10:22, the guy had “great wealth” and was unwilling to part with it. Donating that money away would have bought him treasures in heaven (why would someone want treasures in heaven if they had absolutely no source of greed?).
As for the Luke 16:13, I’d argue that it was saying you cannot worship money, in the sense of hoarding it and having stupid amounts of surplus.
Matthew 25:14-30 Jesus gives a parable praising the men who double their investments and then disparages the guy whos net return was zero. A sloppy Google search says a talent at that time was worth about a 20 years salary, why are the guys earning around 1.5 mil and 600k good?
Be envious of God’s attention by doing good acts.
To be fair, the Greek pantheon would definitely punish mortals for upstaging them, so at least this God got some of his priorities in order
Bible god punished and divided all humanity for trying to build a tower to meet him
That might be the most satisfying up vote anyone has ever given.
Well, it was never implied that God was supposed to be subject to the same commandments. The whole religion is kind of requires holding God above one’s self and others as well, as are many religions with creator gods. It doesn’t really work if God is supposed to equal to us and subject to the same constraints, they’re supposed by design to be omniscient and omnipotent and perfect and that’s why we’re supposed to trust in them and all their dictates if we want to ‘saved’.
It’s not a particularly remarkable insight or cutting blow to point out that God doesn’t follow their own rules since everybody knows that including the devout and they think it’s a good thing. I’d hazard a guess that the ability to accept this so readily probably explains a lot about overlap between strength of religious belief and embrace of dictators who also don’t model their own edicts.
And in the same way God is allowed to have double standards and disobey the rules he set for humanity, Christian leadership is held to a lower standard and allowed to get away with things like pedophilia by the members of their church.
It does make sense that God would be allowed to break rules, its kind of like how a parent doesnt have the same rules as their kids. And no on in a church is allowed to be a pedo, if that happens that is seem by very bad by all the people.
Unfortunately some churches have a reputation for covering up the crime and not punishing the perpetrator.
It’s one thing for the crime to happen; it’s much worse when a bunch of people decide to hide it.
I think what it is are they are friends and their friends promise to never do it again and they dont want to ruin their lives. It is a universal thing and not just a religous thing but we news stories about what is supposed to be a safe place sell more papers.
Uh, it was more of an institutional policy. That’s why it was such a scandal.
Yes. It’s much more than just “friends” backing each other. Many times they’ll still have to face the elders of the church or similar things but it is nearly always handled in the church meaning they’re kicked out of something possibly until they repent. The police are very often never involved.
I am guessing that we are talking about the catholic church, and I could be wrong because I dont know about their rules, but I dont believe they would have rule not severely punishing or sending to police pedos. I would guess they catagorized it as someone who broke a rule, not committed a crime.
Please read up on it. I’m sure now they do have that policy, but…it was an extremely widespread problem, literally all over the world. Any claim that they’ve fixed the problem is going to be met with skepticism for a long time, and rightly so. They worked HARD to hide it.
I do think the Catholic church was right about one thing - it likely happened in other churches as well.
